Bernie 2016 Vs Veggie Tales

[00:00:01] Speaker A: Now, wait a minute. [00:00:01] Speaker B: Now, wait a minute here. To keep myself cool. [00:00:04] Speaker C: But sometimes, sometimes voting, something you do with your feet, sometimes it's something you do with your voices. [00:00:14] Speaker A: Wow. [00:00:14] Speaker C: Sometimes you've got a march, sometimes you've got a chant. Now, sometimes these work songs, these union ballads, they may seem a little silly. Little silly, but I assure you, I assure you that if you learn, if you learn a real proper union ballad, the value of your vote does go up. That's real. [00:00:43] Speaker A: Yes. [00:00:44] Speaker D: When you started talking about voting, doing anything with your feet, I thought this episode was going to go on a totally different direction. When you started talking about singing, I went, all right, good. Way to go. [00:00:59] Speaker A: Oh. [00:00:59] Speaker C: You know, all across the country this weekend, I don't know exactly when this show will come out, so it might even be from the past. A week ago, a week in the past, people. People have been out there voting with their. With their signs, with their songs, with their chants. Love to see it. [00:01:17] Speaker A: Actually, I voted yesterday with my feet. [00:01:21] Speaker C: Voting with your feet. [00:01:22] Speaker A: Voting with your feet. All right. [00:01:24] Speaker C: Voting with your feet is something else on certain parts of the Internet. [00:01:30] Speaker D: What else is. What else is a march really, if not a threat to vote? [00:01:36] Speaker A: Wow. [00:01:36] Speaker C: You're going out there, you're saying, I'm going to vote. You motherfuckers better watch out. I'm a voter. [00:01:43] Speaker A: The funny thing to me is, on top of voting with my feet, I actually voted last week in an election, and evidently the blue wave hits my deep red county. And the one thing really up went Democrat. I did all the voting. [00:02:03] Speaker C: Love it. We love a voter on this show. And, you know, there's. You can vote with your feet, but there's other parts of your vote body you can vote with. You vote with your hands often, right when you fill out a ballot, but also when you. [00:02:15] Speaker A: Sounds easier. [00:02:16] Speaker C: Well, that's. That's fair. That's your constitutional right. But on this show, you can vote with your ears. That's right. You can vote right now, today, right this minute, line up for the most important election of our lives. This election, which will be, I do truly believe, the most important election of our lifetime. [00:02:42] Speaker A: This is the most important election of our lifetime. [00:02:46] Speaker C: This is the most important election. [00:02:48] Speaker B: Don't you. You hear that? [00:02:50] Speaker D: This is the most important in our life. [00:02:54] Speaker A: I certainly think it's the most important. [00:02:55] Speaker C: Election of my lifetime. [00:02:57] Speaker B: This is the most important election of our times. Politicians say every time, this is the most important election. [00:03:04] Speaker C: This one's really that important. Yeah. We did it. We're here. We're here. With my buddy John Ross today. John, what's up? [00:03:12] Speaker B: How's it going? That was a very long intro. Very impressive. [00:03:18] Speaker C: I don't know, the intros, maybe they're a little bit baroque for some people's tastes, a little bit overly, overly filigreed and ornate, but use real words. No, I'm Kennedy Cooper and I don't have to use any real words in this show. Brandon Buchanan is here. Brandon, you know, I am here. [00:03:43] Speaker D: You know, you know, sometimes a song just starts with an epic riff or solo that goes, you know, four minutes long. You and I both know if a song just starts with the guitar solo, it's gonna be a great song. [00:03:59] Speaker A: Yes. [00:04:01] Speaker C: We've also got. Oh, sorry, John, your. [00:04:04] Speaker B: I was just gonna say as a musician, you know, you know, part time, you know, amateur musician, it's just like, you know how you're like the, like, you know how these theme songs can go, how long these intros can go. I mean they can go as. For as long as you want and you can always edit it down later, so to speak. [00:04:21] Speaker A: Yeah, it would be very funny if this one was not edited at all just to spite you. [00:04:29] Speaker B: Oh Lord. [00:04:30] Speaker C: We also got. You're here. And of course my buddy Andrew. [00:04:37] Speaker A: Hello then, Andrew Fields. Hi. Here's a fun stats fact. The only real number that actually exists is 13 and a half. All other numbers we made up, that's the only real number. You got your genuine stats back to the day. [00:04:51] Speaker C: I can't disprove that. And then of course, like I said, we've got John. John is a good friend of mine, also the host of the John Ross show and a guy who has worked on many interesting projects in his life so far. So glad to have you along for the ride today, John. [00:05:11] Speaker D: Welcome. [00:05:12] Speaker B: Thank you. It's great to do this again. I mean it was what, a year ago? Almost a year ago. I, I did your other show with Andrew, Hillary. [00:05:21] Speaker C: Yeah. You were on worst week yet. Yeah, pretty good. Pretty fun. [00:05:24] Speaker B: That was, that was a really fun episode. And I'm just wondering when am I going to be able to podcast with Kennedy again? Because I also speaking of my, my like YouTube channel, I did interview Kennedy also around that same time. [00:05:38] Speaker A: So maybe the real podcast was the friends we met along the way. [00:05:42] Speaker B: Yeah. And it's like I've, you know, I've been familiar with, with both Kennedy and Brandon's work in the past. I think I might have mentioned it before. I was a fan of not safe media and not safer wongs and would consume that show literally, like, and I've just, you know, I do these things where I just go back and watch some of the old stuff on like a binge type deal and it's just. [00:06:05] Speaker D: Like, oh my God, that's so great. That's so great. [00:06:09] Speaker B: It's. Well, you know, I do get a. [00:06:12] Speaker C: Little nostalgic faith in us back then is a real one. Not to say that we sucked or anything, but just. [00:06:18] Speaker B: No, no, not at all. [00:06:19] Speaker C: I mean, we're so much better at what we do now in a lot of ways. [00:06:22] Speaker B: Yes, everyone. And thing is like, everyone evolves when they do podcast or they do streams. Like I've been streaming for, you know, it will be five years in August. And I think that I've evolved since then. I mean, I've, I've. I've been doing this part time since 2021. I'm not yet full time, even though I continuously say I'm gonna go full time. And then I end up just being like, well, maybe, maybe next month. And then I just let it kind of happen when it happens. But I am, I am trying. With everything that's going on in the world, it's like I need to start getting really hunkering down and doing like the full time, you know, at least on the YouTube side, you know, like, I have all the equipment, I have all the microphone. I have like pretty much all the stuff that I have set up and I should just. It's like just do it, you know, not trying to sound like a. Not trying to sound like a Nike Slow. Oh, I don't know if we can swear on this podcast, but you can swear to sound on this. Okay, well, not to sound like a Nike slogan here, but like the little light bulb in my head going, just do it, damn it. You know, kind of thing. [00:07:32] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, I like what you make. I hope you just take your ideas further. That'd be great. And now is good a time as any with your microphone. [00:07:42] Speaker D: Yeah. And Kennedy, I just want to add, if you're making your own content, I consider that voting for yourself. [00:07:49] Speaker C: Yeah. Every time you make something that you're passionate about, that's a vote. That's a vote for you from yourself. There's no better vote than the one you give yourself. So, John, we're doing something a little different than our usual form format today, because you are. I don't think that you would be offended by me saying this. You are a bit of a political junkie. [00:08:10] Speaker B: Oh, hell yeah. Hell yeah. Yeah, political junkie. Game junkie. Speaking of I don't know if y'all saw it this week. You know, the Switch 2, speaking of Nintendo came out and they're like, initially, they're like, delaying their, their pre orders because of the whole tariff issue. And it's just like, people are really pissed off. And I, I can understand. Well, let's just say I'm, I'm trying. [00:08:36] Speaker C: Over the Switch, too. [00:08:37] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:08:42] Speaker A: We need to switch to a different government. [00:08:46] Speaker B: Right. I'm. I'm actually looking at all the facts before I make a. Make a judgment, make a comment, so to speak. [00:08:55] Speaker A: Wait, you're gathering information? [00:08:58] Speaker B: I'm gathering information, yes. Yes. I'm so gathering info because I'm like. [00:09:04] Speaker A: Okay, everything needs to be a cover. I don't understand. [00:09:09] Speaker B: It's like. Well, it's like, you know, as a, as a Nintendo person, since growing up, it's like I watched, I've, like, you know, prepared myself for the successor model to the Switch and, like, knew right away this was going to be just another, like. Like, it's, it's not going to be anything different than just the regular Switch that we have now. I mean, the only thing that we have. Yeah, I mean, it's, it's like it's got a couple good features on, on the, on the new one, I admit. Like, they have like, a thing called Game Chat, which is essentially like, like what we're doing right now in Discord. [00:09:47] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. I thought. I almost laughed when I announced that part because it really looks like it was freaking Discord on a Switch. [00:09:54] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:09:56] Speaker B: And it's like, you got these art. I mean, it's, it's, it's sort of unoriginal and on, in a sense, where they just stole the idea from Discord. It's just, it is actually, in my view, like, once the, once the hype for me dies down, I kind of do get an opinion. Not really. Kind of, I do get an opinion and I'm like, man, this is so lazy. Like, I'm not gonna dissuade people from buying this. Like, if. Should the tariff issue, quote, unquote, get resolved, I don't, I don't believe it will. But like, looking at that direct, I was like, man, this is actually really good. And then again, once the hype dies down, I'm like, man, that's so lazy. That's so unoriginal. Come on. [00:10:35] Speaker C: Yeah, it's a little like Trump's second term. [00:10:38] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly, exactly. It's like all the people that are opposing to Trump in the first term and now all of a sudden, they're sucking up to him in the second. Yeah. Non consecutive second. [00:10:49] Speaker C: Like, not entirely sure who asked for this. The people that did ask for it. Not entirely sure if they want it now. [00:10:57] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [00:10:57] Speaker C: You know, a lot like the Switch. Everybody. Everybody thought they wanted the Switch 2 until they saw it and then they're like, oh, yeah, a Switch 2 is just a switch with a few extra buttons. [00:11:15] Speaker A: I wonder if that's like, anything else that we're talking about today. [00:11:18] Speaker B: That was just me going off on a. On a fucking game rant. Because that is part of my, like, that's what I do, trying to do for a living. It's just like, as we do have some gamers in this group here, it's like, it's. It's like, it's. It's not gonna, you know, be a podcast for me without actually talking about some gaming topics. So it's like, yeah, just. It's just natural for me. [00:11:39] Speaker C: If we hadn't written this episode too far in advance, the Switch 2 actually would be a good. Well, we'll save that. [00:11:46] Speaker B: Yeah, we can save it for the end. Yeah. [00:11:49] Speaker C: But no, I'm saying we'll save that for another episode. We got to do a. We got to do a switch to episode that would be. [00:11:55] Speaker A: I have to hold my phone because I keep wanting to make. We have to switch to continue Kennedy. [00:12:00] Speaker C: We have to switch to our next topic, which is. So as I. John. John, you're. You're a politics guy. [00:12:13] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm a big news and political junkie since I was, you know, 13 years old. So, like, when I was 13, I discovered that I wanted to be in broadcasting. And it's weird to think now that I wanted to work for all the major news companies, like, knowing what I know now, how corporate they are, I. And then I got into music, which is, again, a whole other topic. I won't go into that. And then started getting into politics around, really 2008, which is kind of also weird to look at now. Like, the Obama era, being this, like, young guy in, like, high school. You know, I was like, a sophomore in high school when Obama's first presidency occurred. And then, you know, fast forward to eight years later, you know, the Bernie campaign, and was so inspired by his, you know, break up the system. You know, the. The billionaires are terrible, the corporate corporations are bad. You know, the media is lying to you. They're all up, you know, that kind of thing. And, yeah, here we are in. In 2025, you know, all these Again, it feels like a decade. I mean, for all of us. I mean, you know, in. And the rise of the political podcast, you know, news and commentary, where it's all diy. You know, we've all done, you know, some form of podcasting or streaming on, you know, primarily YouTube and Twitch. I know there's like a lot of other alternative platforms, but. Yeah, it's. It's just amazing. And how, you know, some people. I won't name names or I will name names, depending how long this show goes. People who have pivoted for money, who were particularly on the right wing and. Or, excuse me, on the left wing and now are pivoting on the. To the right wing for. For money. [00:14:09] Speaker D: You definitely can name names. It's just that we only have so much time for the show. [00:14:13] Speaker B: Oh, got you. Yeah, well, you know, for what it's worth, you know, Jake Uygur and Anakin's Barry can go themselves. I mean, I don't. I don't really give a. I mean, I'll just say it right here, right now. Tyt. I was a former mod for that company. Just kind of refresh people's memories. I know, Kennedy, I spoke about this on the worst week yet with you a year ago, but I was a former moderator for the Young Turks network on the YouTube with 12 other people, and we resigned last year or no, sorry, two years. It'll be two years ago over some of the stances taken at the network, particularly by the main show, particularly Anna, who is like all of a sudden hating on homeless people, hating on trans people. They lost as a result their. Two of their trans hosts. One was a host and the other was a moderator who's like, also a fellow Twitch streamer who's a dear, dear friend of mine. Shout out to Vitingale, if you don't mind me doing that. I think they would appreciate me doing a shout out because they're also a former mod and they also do Twitch, so. So yeah, we did a letter and it's available out there. I mean, I. For what it's worth, I wish I could have found it because I have it saved on my. On my computer box here and been like, yeah, for. For what it's worth, I hope y'all read the letter because it really makes a lot of good points and it's still important even though that this was two years ago. It's still relevant. Still. Still relevant. [00:15:48] Speaker C: Fading. It might be a little. [00:15:50] Speaker D: Yeah. I was a big fan of the Young Turks since the first time I heard Shank Scream. USA Today. You suck. [00:15:59] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, I was a fan. I was a huge fan going back to 2007, 2008. So they, they were, in my, in my honest opinion, they were the pinnacle of my, what you would call, like, like far left progressive, you know, viewpoint. And I mean, to see, to see the fact that, you know, they have strayed from their own belief system, you know, specifically with the money that was coming in. I mean, everybody kind of, you know, knew about the, the Katzenberg money and the Buddy Romer money, who was like a, like a. Was taking money from. From an estate of a deceased, I think Republican, or maybe not deceased Republican congressman. And it's just like, man, that, that is so cold. I mean, how can you throw your own values and, you know, audience under the bus and make pay yourself a good paycheck but not pay the mods? You know, that kind of thing just really irks me even to this day. And it's, you know, good reminder why I left. Why we left tyt. I see. I say we as in the moderators, because I haven't. I. I have not honestly gotten also into TYT territory since we left. Like, the only time I hear from them or hear something from them is in like, discord groups or other shows that I watch that are doing content talking about how bad TYT is. And it's like, that's the only time I ever really see it. I ever really hear from them. [00:17:28] Speaker C: Is. Is terrible now, but yeah, you know, sometimes it is the case, though, that even if the popularity of something waxes and wanes, the message can still have its effect. And TYT has gone downhill, but a lot of people were, you know, radicalized towards more progressive beliefs by watching those, those programs. And that's. A lot of people are still on the, you know, are still on the right side of a lot of issues now and bringing it back around. Bernie Sanders has had a similar impact on our culture, where his personal popularity has waxed and waned at times to some extent. Extent. And now he's getting kind of old and he still has a little bit of fire left in him and his current core is doing great, but, you know, his current stuff that he's been doing, he's been doing pretty great. But, you know, regardless of how popular he is in the moment, the messages that Bernie Sanders came out with in the 2016 election have kind of stuck with the American discussion. Like, you know, I, I feel like things that Bernie Sanders said are brought up. You still hear these terms being brought up in Almost every discussion on every news network every day. Still, you still hear, you know, these, these ideas being brought up of, you know, I don't know, I just feel like the working class issues and stuff. Like, did Fox News say the working class a lot before 2016? Because I feel like they say it a lot more now. You know, like even places like that have had to adapt their language a little bit to accommodate the changes brought about by the things that Bernie Sanders said and did during his run for president, which have had a lasting cultural impact. Like I've said, listen up, everybody. [00:19:32] Speaker A: This is how Bernie can win in 2028. [00:19:37] Speaker C: I wish he was young enough to run again, but, you know, okay, we don't, we don't. He's not the only leader that could possibly exist. [00:19:47] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I mean, even when he's like, when it's his time, you know, whatever you want to have, you want to say, but his spirit will, some will live on. I think that the values and the message, even if you disagree with him politically from the left, you know, that, you know, common sense will tell you that. Yeah. What the, like what you're saying, Kennedy, it's like the stuff that he, you know, taught us in 2016 will live on and will be inspiring and influential and hopefully in a good way, in a positive way towards fellow like leftist leaders in the progressive movement and not. [00:20:25] Speaker C: Just towards leftists, that one of the incredible things about Bernie Sanders legacy, really, in fact, probably the most impactful thing about everything he's done a lot of ways, is just that he's brought a lot of progressive left wing, whatever you want to call them, messages to people that may not have ever heard them otherwise. [00:20:45] Speaker B: Yeah, true. [00:20:46] Speaker C: He's been really effective at not playing to any particular political crowd as much as playing to the working class a lot. Playing to issues that affect most Americans. And the reality is that, you know, depending on how you look at it, most of us are in the working class. You know, if we're looking at it from more of a proper left wing perspective. And even a lot of quote unquote, famous and rich people are working class people in the sense that they can't stop working. Like they might have nicer things than us, but they can't just stop working. [00:21:34] Speaker B: Right. [00:21:36] Speaker A: Elon Musk. [00:21:39] Speaker B: Yeah. Elon Musk. Yeah, Musk doesn't. Will not work it. He. He hasn't worked it. I, I mean, he hasn't really earned the chainsaw. Yeah, yeah, he, he's had everything handed to him on a silver platter. [00:21:53] Speaker C: But also he literally doesn't work. I mean, he wanders around finding like dumb. Dumb to get into. [00:21:59] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. He's like. [00:22:05] Speaker A: He is going to bring us to the deep parts of space so we can achieve true human consciousness. And the only way we can get this beautiful. I can't even imit his way of talking. I can't. I give up. I get. I give up. [00:22:20] Speaker B: I mean, Mike Myers did a really decent impression of him on Does. [00:22:24] Speaker C: A decent impression of him is just okay. But he does it with such incredible hate for the guy that it's a very watchable impression. [00:22:34] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:22:37] Speaker C: Like, it's not the best impression ever. Not just of Elon Musk, but just in general. It's just not the best impression ever. [00:22:43] Speaker B: But what is though? [00:22:45] Speaker C: You can tell while Mike Myers is doing. I mean, I would just say by comparison, like, Alec Baldwin's Trump is more accurate. Yes. Yeah, but. [00:22:55] Speaker B: And he'd still be doing Alec. He would still be doing Trump on snl, hadn't it not been for the rest the trial. Was it the. The court trial? [00:23:02] Speaker C: I still say Trump's biggest missed opportunity. [00:23:05] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:23:06] Speaker C: Was not doing an impression of Alec Baldwin after Alec Baldwin murdered that woman. And yes, he did murder a woman. Woman. I don't care what people say. [00:23:17] Speaker B: I mean, the b. The Baldwins are very controversial. [00:23:22] Speaker A: And the courts are always right. Kennedy, they never make a bad decision. [00:23:27] Speaker B: I mean, the Baldwins are actually really controversial people anyway, so this isn't really anything new. I mean, look, I've just. [00:23:35] Speaker A: History book, I've been told that the courts are very often wrong. [00:23:41] Speaker C: But yeah, you know, Alec Baldwin, he had the gun in his hand. So I don't know. You figure it out. Anyway, he had the gun in his. [00:23:50] Speaker B: Hand and he was ready to unknowingly pull the trigger. [00:23:53] Speaker C: So that was so controversial to say. [00:23:57] Speaker D: We're gonna need a whole. Let's put that with the Nintendo Switch 2 episode. Maybe Alec Baldwin should have switched to a different gun. [00:24:08] Speaker C: To a different onset armorer. But yeah. So Alec Baldwin's Trump. Very spot on in terms of like, Alec Baldwin approached that as a very serious acting proposition to really imitate Trump. Mike Myers isn't really approaching it the same way with Elon Musk. He just fucking hates Elon Musk. And you can just tell while he's doing that impression. And that's really funny in its own way. Different kind of funny. But it's great. So. But I want to stay focused on. Okay, so Bernie Sanders again, one of the really important things about Bernie Sanders is that he brings his messages to spaces you wouldn't always expect. Of course, he is famously an independent. He caucuses with the Democrats. He's basically a Democrat in a lot of ways. But he keeps that independent label, which a lot of politicians can't successfully do. And he does it by, you know, splitting that divide, well, of, you know, working with the Democrats enough to keep their support, but also making it clear that, you know, his loyalty is not to a party, it is to working class people more than any particular political machine or system. That's not to say that he doesn't have any loyalty. Loyalty to these machines and that he does everything right. [00:25:36] Speaker A: Oh, I was just gonna say, hey, Kennedy, Bernie Sanders first election into Congress, it was clearly in a deep blue district, right? [00:25:45] Speaker C: Not at all. [00:25:47] Speaker A: Oh, are you telling me that Bernie Sanders appealed to the working class Republicans and he has ideas that they liked? [00:25:56] Speaker C: Yeah. And in fact, there's concerns about when Bernie retires or you know, when the inevitable sad thing happens. It's not a Republican might win his seat after that. Like it's totally actually a toss up seat except for that Bernie wins it. Like there's a lot of people that talk about Joe Manchin like he's the only guy that could win in West Virginia, which is total bullshit. And it's. Bernie Sanders is not the only guy that could win his seat either. But he is a little special. And if we're going to recreate what he's done, it's going to take effort. It's not just something you can't just slot a typical liberal candidate who's just going to say some bullshit about how, you know, suck it up and get ready for austerity. Because actually this chart says everything's fine. That's not going to work in Bernie Sanders district when he's gone. [00:27:00] Speaker B: No. No chart. [00:27:04] Speaker C: Yeah, I said chart. Make charts for us. [00:27:07] Speaker A: No chart. Bad. [00:27:10] Speaker C: So, you know, there, there can be a lot of value to winning over people in non traditional spaces. There can also be some risks trying to insert progressive message into conservatives in progressive messages into conservative spaces. Tulsi Gabbard got famous off the back of being a big Bernie supporter. That didn't work out so good. [00:27:37] Speaker B: Like totally. Yeah. I mean, she was also just pulling the wool over everyone's eyes. I mean, if you really look into her background, like her fan, like her father is a famous, like, like a conservative in Hawaii. So the fact that no one really ever paid attention to that seriously would have been, was, would have been a random red flag. And it's like, what was that? I was gonna say that. That one. [00:28:02] Speaker C: I'll tell you. [00:28:03] Speaker D: Go ahead. Well, I'll tell you. I'll tell you. I organized in Atlanta and I talk to people and when I onboard them, I asked about what's your family's politics? If I were to, if I were to red flag all the people who say, well, my parents are all demonic Republicans, they are homophobic, they're racist, they're sexist there. And then you just give the whole list. You'd have a small, small list. By 2016, Tulsi Gabbard had her own ideological problems. But however, I remember that time period and the vibe was anybody that would say no to Hillary Clinton in public was on the team. [00:28:47] Speaker C: Yeah. Anyone that would say Medicare for All one time, say it one. [00:28:53] Speaker B: But now look at her. I mean, she created her own monster. [00:28:57] Speaker C: So, you know, there can be a value to bringing progressive messages into conservative spaces, but there can also be a risk to it. So on the subject of a. Of things that brought unexpected messages in the conservative spaces with good and bad results, we're also talking today about, of course, the American Christian CGI animated series and franchise for children. Veggie Tales. [00:29:26] Speaker A: Veggie Tails. Veggie Tails. Veggie Tails. Veggie Tails. [00:29:31] Speaker D: I thought this was entirely a. How I left the last episode. [00:29:36] Speaker A: Beautiful. 10 out of 10. We've been surprising you all day today is Veggie Tales. [00:29:43] Speaker D: Do you think has radicalized or de. Radicalized or both or neither? [00:29:48] Speaker C: I'm gonna guess both, but I think Andrew's the most qualified to speak on this. [00:29:54] Speaker A: There's. I like, for a lot of people, Veggie Tails, they liked Veggie Tails. I've even met non Christians that grew up on it. I liked it because it was less preaching than a lot of cartoons back then. The Bible cartoon was less preachy than a lot of them because, you know, back then everything had a moral. Every story had a moral. And Veggie Tales, they have their morals, but it feels more like it's about the story and not that moral we're leading to. [00:30:26] Speaker B: It's kind of like with Fred Rogers. It's like he was a Christian conservative but didn't really, like, come out. He. He never really, like, said, this is what I believe in. Because he didn't want to alienate his audience. Yeah, yeah. [00:30:39] Speaker A: Like, for sure, still talks. I can't say I agree with him fully, but the Babylon Bee goes after him all the time because he actually does speak more progressive ish stuff. [00:30:56] Speaker B: And as someone who's only like. I'm not highly familiar, I know what veggietales is because I did see a few episodes when I was like, I was younger, but I didn't know it was, you know, from a. From a religious, Christian point of view. I just thought it was just like what you'd see on Nickelodeon. [00:31:14] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly, exactly. [00:31:17] Speaker C: Or two, you may not realize it's religious, but if you. [00:31:21] Speaker B: No, no, not at all. Until. Until I started going to like, like Bible stories. [00:31:26] Speaker C: So. [00:31:27] Speaker B: Yeah, until I started going to some, like, Sunday school. I mean, I'm. I'll just disclose I'm an atheist in real life, but when I was, you know, growing up, going to several different religious, you know, groups, and on Sundays, you know, when they're seeing veggie tail, when they're showing, you know, clips in the Sunday school class of the show, you're. You're just, oh, I'm just like, oh, so it is a religious show. But then again, I wouldn't understand it. I wouldn't. I wouldn't understand it that it was that. [00:32:01] Speaker D: And in, you would say Veggie Tales is basically a little like the Chronicles of Narnia, but in reverse. [00:32:08] Speaker A: Oh. [00:32:12] Speaker C: That'S interesting. [00:32:16] Speaker B: Leaving the Chronicles of Narnia, the one with the talking lion. Yeah. I've only probably seen the first two films and I. Yeah. [00:32:23] Speaker A: Don't they only have the first two films? [00:32:24] Speaker B: I thought there were three. I'm not sure. [00:32:27] Speaker D: There's like, you know, different companies have done their own versions. Netflix is doing one. Greta Gerwig cashed in her chip from Barbie to do Narnia, which I think is kind of a lateral move, but whatever. [00:32:39] Speaker C: Lateral move at best, honestly. [00:32:43] Speaker A: So veggie Tales, the. It was an innovated CGI project at the time. That's the reason why they're vegetables. Vegetables are easy to make when the technology was bad. [00:32:57] Speaker B: Yeah. Because vegetables were good for you. So they figured, why not just make the characters that. [00:33:02] Speaker A: Well, funny story about that. Funny story about that. Originally, they were going to make the main characters candy because, you know, delicious candy. And Phil's wife had to explain to him how many angry letters he would get from parents to. By encouraging them to eat candy. So then he was like, oh, and changed it to vegetables. [00:33:30] Speaker B: And one of them. And so they ends up all the. All the type of vegetables they make for the main characters. I don't know the characters names. [00:33:38] Speaker A: Forgive me, Larry. The cucumber. [00:33:42] Speaker B: I was gonna say, is it cucumber? Because I thought it was a Zucchini. It looked like zucchini, too. [00:33:48] Speaker C: Mr. Nezzer. [00:33:49] Speaker B: Yes, I was gonna say. But anyway, it's like such odd ways to make those two with the choice of vegetables, especially with the cucumber. [00:33:58] Speaker C: Well, again, the point was that it was to choose. And you'll notice this about all the Veggie Tales characters. It's always choosing stuff where it's intentional, that it's just. There's going to be no suggestion of arms or legs. [00:34:13] Speaker B: It's just like. Yeah, just it's blob bouncing around, how to. How to move. And it's like you to think that maybe whoever. Who. Who the. I forget the creator's name. I'm sorry, but it's later seasons of it with. Who was it basically, though? [00:34:30] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:34:30] Speaker B: And. And are all the creators on this show, were they all screened for their religion? Were they, like. [00:34:36] Speaker A: So from my understanding, they weren't. And there was a faction in side of Veggie Tales that believe they should have been. So that was its own internal business drama. [00:34:51] Speaker B: It's. It's kind of like with Disney, you know, everybody, like, everybody at Disney is. Is, like, fundamentally religious, Christian, yet they're putting, like, messages of innuendo secretly just for the fun of it. I mean, have you not noticed that? [00:35:05] Speaker A: No. Yeah. No. [00:35:07] Speaker B: Have you not noticed the fact, like, you look at, like, speak like, the Disney renaissance, like, two, like, movies, Aladdin and the Lion King, when, like, once they came out on video, there was like this complaint of. Of just innuendo and messages being in the films. And it pissed off a lot of the. A lot of the parents that. Working for the kids. And it's just like. [00:35:27] Speaker C: It's completely unlike the old Disney movies. Definitely don't look up how many titties and dicks are in Aladdin. [00:35:34] Speaker B: Yeah. Or subliminal. Or subliminal messages. [00:35:38] Speaker C: I don't know. [00:35:39] Speaker B: But yeah, because they're there. They're there. It's just like, that's what. That's what happened with the rescuers was like, in 98 or 99, they had to have like seven, like a thousand even, maybe even more VHS copies recalled because there was literally in this. In the shot of one of the films, there was a naked topless woman. And they had. And somebody at Disney saw that and they were like, oh, we gotta recall this because this is dirty. And it's like, you know, it's not like we would have seen that. And I'm of that age where I would have had that on vhs. I wouldn't have Noticed it. [00:36:12] Speaker C: Right. [00:36:13] Speaker A: You know what I just realized? Veggie Tales is woke because they feature the pirates, AKA socialists who don't do anything. [00:36:24] Speaker C: Mmm. The socialist pirates. I think it's time we've been here for a little. A little while already. Let's step into the voting booth here and cast some ballots, starting with Archibald Asparagus. All right. Are you familiar with Archibald Asparagus, John? [00:36:43] Speaker B: Not particularly, no. Like I said, I only have, like, very varied memories. [00:36:49] Speaker A: He's the British one. He's the British one. [00:36:52] Speaker C: Explain, explain. Archibald Asparagus. [00:36:56] Speaker A: So he's one of those no nonsense, sort of snooty British, British character who oftentimes in the stories play some sort of authority figure in the Silly Songs with Larry, he's the one kind of in charge. And you know that wacky Larry the Cucumber with that stiff, uptight Archibald? Ha ha. He's so mad. But yes, he's one of the more, I would say, oftentimes plays an authority figure role. [00:37:30] Speaker C: Oh. [00:37:31] Speaker B: Huh. [00:37:31] Speaker C: Do you think. You think the UK is ready to elect a stock of Asparagus as its Prime Minister? [00:37:38] Speaker B: Are you asking me? [00:37:39] Speaker C: Yeah, I. I think. [00:37:42] Speaker D: I think post Brexit, they'll take anyone. But what do you think, John? [00:37:46] Speaker C: Oh, no. Okay, let's actually, let's set some parameters here. This has to specifically be during the Bernie years, because I want to imagine I was originally just going to make it a parameter of the show today that we were going to imagine that while Bernie is running for President, that Archibald Asparagus is the Prime Minister of England. But. But then I thought, let's make it a discussion. Would. Is England ready to elect Archibald Asparagus as prime minister in 2015, given that election of Prime Minister is a totally undemocratic process done internally in the House. [00:38:26] Speaker B: In the House of Commons. [00:38:28] Speaker C: Right. [00:38:29] Speaker B: If we're setting this in. In 2015, like pre. Like in the middle of Brexit. [00:38:36] Speaker C: The middle of Brexit, Yeah. [00:38:37] Speaker B: Middle of Brexit, yeah. So this would be like 20. So. And this would be around the time Jeremy Corbyn was running for the Labor Prime Minister. So, yeah. [00:38:49] Speaker C: So Archibald Asparagus definitely the Conservative in this scenario. [00:38:55] Speaker B: Okay, So I was thinking whoever was the socialist of opposite of Archibald Asparagus, I think that people in the UK who are like the outsider of outsider community, I don't know how they would say it in the UK as they would in the US would most likely like 99.999% vote for Archibald Asparagus. Now, the lower middle Class like the socialist type would not vote for ultra bold asparagus in a 95.5% chance, if that makes sense. Like the Corbinites in. In in the UK and the lower like middle working class would not vote for. [00:39:44] Speaker C: Right. But the Corbinites couldn't get Corbin elected. So isn't that sounding like Archibald's got a chance here? [00:39:57] Speaker D: First of all, how does archival relate to David Cameron? This Cameron just gonna let the asparagus go ahead of him in the line. [00:40:04] Speaker B: Seeing as the asparagus is basically British. I would say that probably yeah. He. The. The Archibald asparagus would be. Would be a camera knight. Is that how you would say it for the Conservative would be a camera a David Cameron. Like. [00:40:19] Speaker C: Yeah, David Cameron to get. Get out of the way. It's Archibald time. [00:40:24] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Well he wouldn't be curious like we're not to fast forward to now, but it's like he wouldn't necessarily be Keir Starmer or he would be considering Starmer is like very, very, I would say fundamentally conservative for a Labor Party. For the Labor Party in, in. In the uk. Yeah. So like yeah, Archibald asparagus would. Would. He would be part. He would be like the. He would he. The Conservatives would vote for him like if, if like 99.999 if there was like a working class Conservative in. In or middle class working class Conservative and the UK in Britain they would probably who feel like they've been like undervalued. They'd probably vote for Archibald asparagus. I wouldn't but. But, but yeah. [00:41:17] Speaker C: Brandon, Andrew, you got anything to add to that? [00:41:20] Speaker A: No, but I think he would win. [00:41:22] Speaker D: Does Archibald have pull in the countryside of England? You know, I'm really thinking about his ascent through because I bet that he can beat Corbyn. I do think that England especially given all the money that was spent against Corbyn, I do really think that they would choose a vegetable over him. [00:41:41] Speaker B: And how. But it's just, it's good analogy. [00:41:46] Speaker D: It's just a matter of does he have a broad appeal across the conservative English world If he goes out to the farmlands, I don't know what the Iowa of England is. And the English fans feel free to write to us. [00:42:01] Speaker C: You don't really have an Iowa in the England election though because it's just like all you really have to do is convince 85 rich guys that's true. [00:42:10] Speaker B: That you're the right. You're the right candidate. You're. You're, you're for them and it's kind of like with Trump, you know, in the United States, it's like he could just go out to any farmland and sway them in any way he knows how, and they'll just, they'll just delve. They'll just buy it. [00:42:27] Speaker C: But I do want to say, I think Archibald, asparagus can. I think he could talk to a farmer because he's a stock of asparagus. I grew. I grew up on a farm. [00:42:42] Speaker B: I grew up on a farm. I was planted, I was planted in this field that you work now. And, and if you elect me as Prime Minister, I will fight for you in return. That kind of thing. And then they will. And yeah, they will vote. [00:42:55] Speaker C: Canada. Yeah. [00:42:57] Speaker B: The people of Canada. Of UK Canada. [00:43:01] Speaker C: Canada. [00:43:02] Speaker B: Yeah. That. Yeah, Canada. UK Will. Will vote for, for him. For Archibald as a, as a. I don't know Archibald's pronouns. I mean, he's a. He's a. He's a. [00:43:15] Speaker C: He's an asparagus. [00:43:18] Speaker A: He's an onion. [00:43:19] Speaker B: See, I don't even know my vegetables correct correctly. [00:43:21] Speaker A: He's not an onion anyways. [00:43:24] Speaker B: Or he could be. Yeah, he could be. He could be an onion, maybe. [00:43:27] Speaker C: Let's bring it back over to the United States where we usually keep questions. So, okay, so I want to start the, the US Portion here with. Could. Could any of the pirates who don't do anything get elected to anywhere in the United States? [00:43:47] Speaker A: The pirates who Don't Do Anything. They have an entire song where they sing about how all the things that. [00:43:54] Speaker B: They don't do that could just be like their campaign theme song. We don't do anything. We're not going to do anything. But we still have charisma. We still have name value, and that's what we're. And, and can't. We can sway you into voting for us. You know, it's, it's a, it's like a do nothing Congress. It's a. Nothing will fundamentally change. I don't, it's not, it's not a broad socialist transformation of, of, of society. It's just, it's just. Wow. I don't think that, I don't think that. [00:44:26] Speaker D: I don't think that they'll. I don't think that they'll win office anywhere. But however, I think they'll make out great in the American political system. They can have roles as consultants, they can start a think tank, they can be on the news, they can be on a podcast with Ezra Klein. [00:44:49] Speaker B: Yeah. And they could be on time. Save America. [00:44:54] Speaker D: I don't do anything. [00:44:56] Speaker C: I I do agree with a lot of these takes, but I do think also a pirate who doesn't do anything could be a senator of Arizona. [00:45:07] Speaker A: Correct. [00:45:09] Speaker D: They could. They could run as an independent in some super Republican district that's flipping and win, you know, like in a special election. Some. Some. Some crazed Republican loses in a special election to independent pirate who doesn't do anything, you know, from Maine or Nebraska or just one of our weirder states. I could see it. [00:45:34] Speaker A: But. But they can't be elected in Massachusetts because the song specifies that they've never been to Boston in the fall and that's that. They straight up said that. Like, come on. [00:45:46] Speaker C: Yeah. If you. If you say that in a song, you can't get elected in Massachusetts. That's fair. I think Arizona might elect them. I think maybe Utah might elect a pirate who doesn't do anything. [00:45:59] Speaker B: Missouri, where I live, will probably like the pirate that doesn't do anything. [00:46:03] Speaker C: Yeah. Arkansas. Arkansas could definitely. You could be governor of Arkansas as a pirate who doesn't do anything. We've got proof of that. Okay, continuing on here with our votes, let's remind ourselves a moment of the 2016 Republican field. That's right. A rather unsavory. A rather unsavory bunch. I mean, so much so that Donald Trump was able to win because he was up against guys like Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio and John Kasich that just fucking likes at all. We also had weirdos in there like Ben Carson, Jeb Bush, Rand Paul, Mike Huckabee. There was just a whole. A whole slew of weird, weird freaks. Chris Christie and Rick Santorum managed to sneak in there for a little while, too. You know, just a. Just a group of slime. Yes. And neophytes. [00:47:17] Speaker B: Squishy. [00:47:18] Speaker C: And with that in mind, could Mr. Nezzer, the greedy zucchini. [00:47:25] Speaker B: How would he. [00:47:26] Speaker C: How would he fare in the 2016 Republican field? [00:47:30] Speaker B: I think he'd be across between all of them, like, one by one. I mean, he would probably be across between. If I was putting my money on it, he'd be a cross between Trump, Cruz, Rubio, Huckabee, Kasich, Christie, Santorum, and who else? [00:47:53] Speaker C: That's enough of them. [00:47:56] Speaker B: Yeah, he'd be. If you took all. If you took all those candidates that you mentioned one by one and just made that into the Veggie Tales character, it would be those people. [00:48:07] Speaker C: Based on that, it sounds like you're saying he would dominate the 2016 Republican contest. But I want to hear from our other panelists briefly before We. We. Before we call that one. Andrew, you sounded like you might have a little comment there on Mr. Nezzer, but also, as the resident Veggie Tales expert, just anything you want to clue us in about. About Mr. Nezzer is welcome. [00:48:30] Speaker A: No, that was a spot on description of Mr. Nezzard. Like, where's Archibald? Asparagus has authority, but the whole. His whole thing is being annoyed by people. And he sometimes is responsible. Mr. Nesary is just plays the role. Tends to play the role of the big, powerful boss. You gotta do what the boss says. One of the original VeggieTales one was he was making his workers worship a chocolate bunny, and some of them didn't, and they were thrown in the den of lions. Like the Bible story. It's so important. [00:49:10] Speaker D: Was it? [00:49:11] Speaker A: No, wait, no, not the den of lions. I mixed that up with David into the furnace. [00:49:15] Speaker C: Oh, hey, thanks, Mr. Nezzer. Yeah, so Mr. Nezzer is a guy who fiercely punishes his opponents. [00:49:23] Speaker A: But. But there is one catch. So the song for that episode was the Bunny. The Bunny. Oh, I ate the bunny. And it was worshiping, eating candy. Parents did not like that song. So eventually, Mr. Nezzer released an apology video, actually, actual apology, taking that back and replacing it with a song where you don't eat chocolate. So my thing is, he could come across as a little weak. [00:49:55] Speaker C: I don't know. He could. He could also. He could pick up the crunchy granola vote like the RFK voters. [00:50:01] Speaker A: Okay, fine, fine. [00:50:04] Speaker C: Brandon, what do you think? Is Mr. Nezzer the zucchini? Is he. Is he faring well against the 2016 Republican field? [00:50:13] Speaker D: I really think that you earlier speculated that he would just wipe the field. You've got to remember that in 2016, they weren't happy with any of those guys. So I think that the zucchini would just get a chance to shine. And I think that given that once zucchini fever hits, it might not subside so quickly. [00:50:37] Speaker C: Okay, so we're imagining there's a good chance that Mr. Nezzer is gonna take the 2016 Republican nomination. Now, on the other side of the aisle, what if in 2016, you have as a. As a new outsider Democrat added to the already crowded field? Larry the Cucumber. [00:50:57] Speaker B: I'll let the resident Veggie Tales expert it's. [00:51:01] Speaker A: How did you know about Nezzer, but not Larry? Larry the Cucumber is one of the two main characters. He's a silly, goofy, happy, cheerful one. He's the one oftentimes paired With Archibald to annoy him. Larry has Cindy songs with Larry, and Archibald is the one in charge of it. And sometimes you have. Sometimes Archibald tries to cancel the show or tries to change it. One time, instead of silly songs with Larry, we had love songs with Mr. Lunt. The parts of the show where Mr. Lunt comes out and sings a love song. And he sang a song about loving a cheeseburger, like, being so bad you want to eat it like it's staying up all night. So that would make. [00:51:56] Speaker B: Oh, go ahead. [00:51:57] Speaker A: No, no, that was the end of that. [00:51:59] Speaker B: Thought I was gonna say Larry would probably be a cross between. In that sense, probably between Clinton and Martin O'Malley. And then you'd have. You. You need. You need to have your. Your Bernie esque. I think one of the. You say one of the pirates would be a socialist. So you. Whoever that would be, would be the Bernie Sanders of 26 of, like, 2015, 2016. [00:52:23] Speaker A: Okay. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. [00:52:25] Speaker D: We. We all agree that Hillary Clinton would threaten to eat this cucumber as a joke, right? You start eating cucumber sandwiches again. [00:52:35] Speaker C: This is part of. This is part of what tanks her campaign. [00:52:40] Speaker D: She'd start shaking the bottle of hot sauce at the cucumber. [00:52:46] Speaker C: She's just chilling in Cedar Rapids, but she's eating a cucumber sandwich. And that. That, that. [00:52:52] Speaker B: That she's chilling at a Chipotle. Just remember in real life, you know, there was that picture of Hillary. Hillary Clinton going towards the boat line. [00:53:01] Speaker A: Okay, I'm gonna toss a curveball. When you're done with that thought that. [00:53:06] Speaker B: Just came to mind, like, we're talking about Hillary Clinton, and it's just like all the weird things that happened. [00:53:11] Speaker A: You better Pokemon go to the polls. All right, I'm gonna throw a little curve. Let me briefly describe one of the silly songs with Larry. So I. He's waiting for Santa. He has three cookies, and he sings a song. I get to. Gives them to Santa. And then a bank robber comes in, and Larry's like, you know what? I'll be your friend. Would you like my cookie? And the bank robber stops. Stops. Then a Viking comes in, sings a song about Viking that's going to steal all stuff. Larry gives one of his three cookies to him, and then he keeps the last one. Then the next person to open up is an IRS agent. And he says, I'm on the IRS and I've come to. Then Larry slams the door on him. [00:53:59] Speaker C: Wow. [00:54:01] Speaker A: Does that change anything? [00:54:08] Speaker C: Larry's getting my vote is what I'm hearing. [00:54:13] Speaker B: Definitely gonna get the vote. If he's, like, slamming the face and it's slamming the. The door in the IRS's face, but yet the IRS has boots on and. [00:54:21] Speaker C: Can be weak in comparison to this guy. Ernie be up there going, oh, the top 1% of the top 1%. And Larry the Cucumber will be like, I executed a billionaire today. And then he'll sing a funny song about it. [00:54:41] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, the guillotine. The guillotine. Let's all go to the guillotine. [00:54:50] Speaker C: Okay, but here's. Okay, here's the deciding factor, though, that is gonna determine. It's gonna be the big determining factor in who wins the presidential race between Mr. Nezzer and Larry the Cucumber in 2016, who have both swept their primaries, is who does Bob the tomato side with? Now, of course, in an episode of a show like VeggieTales, the moral conundrum of the characters being split like this, this is. This is where the. The, the crux of the drama lies. And so, of course, Bob the Tomatoes. Incredibly important support is going to change everything. [00:55:32] Speaker A: I'm sorry, Larry. [00:55:34] Speaker C: And goes with Mr. Nezzer. It's over for Larry. Larry loses his confidence. But if Larry's got Bob by his side, if he can sway Bob's more serious attitude into joining him, and he's probably unstoppable. So Bob the Tomatoes, the host of. [00:55:51] Speaker A: The show, by the way, it's kind of like Kermit the Frog. Bob's the host. Host. Just a little context. [00:55:59] Speaker C: Yeah. So he's got. He's got real power here. Yeah. Any other context you want to give about Bob. [00:56:07] Speaker A: He is Larry's friend. They're the two. Main host of VeggieTales. He more serious one. Of course, you get more jokes of Larry annoying him, but. Or Larry trying to be more silly doing something kind of out there and Bob having to put up with it. So they're friends. But also Bob knows what he's getting into with a wacky, unpredictable candidate, whereas Nezzer, like I said before, he plays more of a boss I'm to boss type role, and it probably would be easier to work with him of choice. [00:56:46] Speaker C: Let's also keep in mind that Mr. Nezzer's VP is Donald Trump and Larry the Cucumber's VP is Bernie Sanders. [00:56:54] Speaker A: Jesus Christ. Well, that case, he. There'd be no question he'd go to Larry. [00:57:02] Speaker D: Which of them would be better at actually being the president? [00:57:06] Speaker A: Better putting aside my political standings, just pure, objectively do the job Probably Nezzer. But in actually getting good stuff done, Larry could make some wacky recommendations after all his shows about teaching lessons like giving and caring and, and welcoming your neighbors as friends instead of being hostile towards them. So I think Larry could do more good, but in raw terms of being a president, the President Nezzer would do the presidential stuff more better. [00:57:48] Speaker C: I, I want to believe. [00:57:50] Speaker D: It's hard for me to imagine that cucumber winning a general election. You know, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Arizona, these states have got just a lot of people, a damn cucumber especially he's running against. [00:58:07] Speaker C: The much more serious, serious zucchini. I think that unfortunately, although my heart wants to say Larry could get elected, I think the arc of the veggietale episode about the 2016 election would be that Bob the Tomato, after much heart wrenching decision making, reluctantly sides with Mr. Nezzer realize is only too late. It was the wrong decision. Mr. Nezer is elected. But on the upside, Mr. Nezzer is immediately impeached. And Larry the cucumber and Bob the Tomato just kind of laugh it off. [00:58:51] Speaker A: Yeah, Yep. [00:58:55] Speaker D: Yeah, this is very funny except that Trump becomes president. But you know, there kind of is a regular timeline. So you know, they go through an episode, all this stuff happens, laughs were had and then humanity goes on. [00:59:14] Speaker B: Which. [00:59:14] Speaker D: Is kind of what happens in Veggie Tales in real life. [00:59:17] Speaker A: So. [00:59:18] Speaker C: All right, couple more questions here, but these are gonna get a little bit stranger. John, I really think you might have a good answer for this first one though. [00:59:27] Speaker B: Hit me. [00:59:29] Speaker C: What would Bernie Sanders silly song be? [00:59:33] Speaker B: Well, silly song or serious silly song? [00:59:36] Speaker C: If he had a silly song that he sang all the time, everywhere he went, what would his silly song be? [00:59:43] Speaker B: It's a good question. [00:59:44] Speaker C: Would it be the 1%? The 1%? You gotta stop the 1%. [00:59:50] Speaker B: See, I'm only thinking and I'm only thinking in well known songs. I'm not thinking in anything vegetable details. I'm not think. [00:59:57] Speaker A: Oh no, he makes up like. Yeah, we're making up songs. [01:00:01] Speaker C: Yeah, we're up. [01:00:02] Speaker B: He'd probably have. What's that song by Rage against the oh, Sleep now in the Fire would be his. [01:00:11] Speaker C: I need a sillier song. Well, you got. I want, I want you to make up a brand new song for Bernie Sanders. [01:00:20] Speaker B: I'm not. [01:00:23] Speaker C: You said you were a musician earlier. Come on, give me something. [01:00:36] Speaker A: That'S more than 75. [01:00:39] Speaker C: I can't think now. [01:00:40] Speaker B: I can't think. [01:00:44] Speaker A: Okay, okay, okay. I'll make it a little easier on you. Not a silly song. But sometimes Archibald's canceled silly songs with Larry, like I said before, and he tries to get somebody more serious. Doesn't always work. So you could do a little serious. Like, this is the replacement. [01:01:03] Speaker C: Yes, I'll accept this. I think, though, that he should have a song like I am once again asking you for $25. [01:01:16] Speaker B: That's probably it. What Kennedy's do. That's probably his silly song right there was. [01:01:22] Speaker D: I was so wondering whether we thought Larry was gonna get those $24 donations. [01:01:30] Speaker B: Bernie Sanders is Larry. Was it Larry the Cucumber? And. And that's his silly song right there. I once again asking you for 25. That's. That's it right there. [01:01:41] Speaker A: Or $20 World 2. It's gotta be at least 25 background singers. 25. [01:01:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:51] Speaker C: Okay. Okay. [01:01:52] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:01:53] Speaker C: This is cooking. [01:01:54] Speaker B: And it's just like, oh, we need another verse. Yeah, it's like. Like, yeah, like. Like, see now. Now I'm having memory impairments. [01:02:06] Speaker C: It's like put all our guests on the spot and. And it. We knew it'd be hard to put you on the spot because usually we put our guests on the spot with political trivia they never heard about, but. [01:02:17] Speaker B: Right. It's a show that I've only. [01:02:22] Speaker C: I'm only vividly remember the silly song. [01:02:27] Speaker B: It's like. It's the one song I only. It's about a show I barely vividly remember. Like, if. If you had, like, another versus. Like, the oligarchy is a little, you know, something bad. Like what a verse about the oligarchy. How bad the oligarchy is. How bad the corporate billionaires. Because he's always talking about how bad the billionaires are. Which. He's not wrong. The Wall Street. You know, bad about Wall street and the Koch brothers going after his opponent in the election for being tied to Wall Street. I mean, that's. That's Hillary Clinton for you. [01:03:04] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. A song about my opponent's got Wall street ties. [01:03:12] Speaker B: There you go. Or the media will not have me on. Or it's like the media would not have me on to talk about my can. Like, you know how he has. Like, he be talking about. [01:03:24] Speaker A: She has media ties. Media. [01:03:30] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. That kind of thing. [01:03:33] Speaker D: If you're just tuning in here. [01:03:34] Speaker A: Middle class cries. [01:03:36] Speaker D: Yeah, I'm just. If. If you're just tuning into this thing along. This is your first time being on this show. We apologize normally. [01:03:45] Speaker C: I'm not apologizing. [01:03:46] Speaker B: You can cancel. [01:03:47] Speaker A: Yeah, you can cancel me. [01:03:49] Speaker C: I think Bernie Sanders getting up on a stage and singing A song that. That starts my. My media appearances are being unfairly suppressed by my proponent. This is gonna be. There's gonna be like, a Hamilton s. A musical about Bernie Sanders 50 years from now. [01:04:08] Speaker B: Yeah, Bernie the Musical. [01:04:10] Speaker C: This episode of this podcast. They'll listen to this show and they'll go, I'm gonna write a musical about Bernie Sanders. [01:04:18] Speaker A: No, you. You listen. [01:04:20] Speaker D: Weirdly enough. Weirdly enough, the musical will be written by Lin Manuel Miranda, which no one saw. [01:04:27] Speaker C: Well, robot Lin Manuel Miranda. But this is basically the same, like. [01:04:34] Speaker B: Yeah, you'll have to, like, rest in peace to him, but they'll have to, like, dig up David lynch and have him, like, write Bernie the Bernie the Musical, but do it kind of, like. Do it kind of, like artsy fartsy kind of thing. Like, really dark and really Twin Peaks ass kind of thing. [01:04:51] Speaker C: Yeah. David Lynch's skeleton will direct Lynch's robot. Lin Manuel Miranda is writing it. It's going to be a big hit in 2081, so prepare yourselves. [01:05:05] Speaker B: Half the population won't even be around by then. [01:05:08] Speaker C: Yeah, you have to. Tickets cost a gallon of fresh water, which is insanely expensive by then. Anyway. Let's. Moving on to lighter topics. Let's go through Bernie and some of the people that we associate most with him and come up with veggie sonas for them. That's right. What if Bernie Sanders was a fruit or a vegetable appearing in Veggie Tales? What would he be? [01:05:40] Speaker B: Oh, he'd be the cucumber. What was it? [01:05:43] Speaker C: He could be any fruit or vegetable you want. It doesn't have to be an existing character. [01:05:47] Speaker B: Yeah, he'd be an apple or. Yeah, he'd be a. Bernie would be an apple. [01:05:51] Speaker C: Bernie be an apple? [01:05:53] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Or anything. Yeah. And people around him. Well. Well, here's the thing. We're gonna have to, like, dissect at least the 2016. We're gonna go to 2020. [01:06:06] Speaker C: I've got some specific names here for you. All right. I want. So. Okay, but. But let's hear. I want to hear from the rest of the pants. Are. Do we. Do we like Bernie as an apple? I kind of like that. [01:06:16] Speaker B: That was like. She was like, the first fruit I came to mind. So. [01:06:20] Speaker A: Yeah, Bernie has an apple's fine. [01:06:22] Speaker B: Brandon. [01:06:24] Speaker C: Yeah, that's fine. What about. What about Rashida Tlaib? [01:06:30] Speaker B: She is a. She's an orange. [01:06:34] Speaker C: The orange. I kind of think she might be a squash Squat. [01:06:37] Speaker B: Yeah. Squash. Yeah. I changed my mind. She is squash. Andrew Brandon. [01:06:41] Speaker A: Squash. [01:06:43] Speaker D: Can I just. Can I just tell y'all. I have not spent a lot of time thinking about this question that this is. I would think maybe a plum's a good. Maybe something more. Something more tart than a squash. [01:07:00] Speaker C: I was just thinking, like, versatility and the summeriness of a summer squash. But a plum is really good for Rashida to leave. I kind of like that. I could see Rashida to leave being a little plum, bouncing along. [01:07:15] Speaker B: If Rashida to leave was a plum, then AOC is a grape. [01:07:18] Speaker C: Okay. [01:07:23] Speaker B: To go there, didn't I? [01:07:26] Speaker A: No, she's definitely. [01:07:29] Speaker C: I don't. [01:07:29] Speaker B: I don't. [01:07:29] Speaker A: I don't think there's any arguing that. [01:07:33] Speaker D: The squad sponsored by Fruit of the Loom. [01:07:38] Speaker C: Is. Is Ilhan Omar also gonna be a fruit? Is she's gonna continue the train? Is she gonna buck the trend in some way? Because I could kind of see Ilhan Omar being like, maybe a cabbage or something. Like a purple. [01:07:52] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Ilhan Omar would be a cabbage. I already have my. My fruit in mind for Ariana Presley. [01:08:02] Speaker C: Okay, let's hear it. [01:08:04] Speaker B: Ariana Presley is a banana. [01:08:06] Speaker C: Yeah. I was thinking we're gonna go like coconut. Like, you know. [01:08:10] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:08:11] Speaker C: Right away. But banana. [01:08:15] Speaker B: She can be like a banana flavored coconut or a coconut flavor. [01:08:18] Speaker C: Well, yeah, I essentially like banana, I think. [01:08:24] Speaker D: Let's go mango. [01:08:26] Speaker B: Oh, I didn't even think of that. Didn't even think of that. Yeah, that's actually better. So if we're like. If we're, like. If we're, like, talking about the squad, does this also mean former members? So does Jamal Bowman and Cori Bush count? [01:08:41] Speaker C: Sure. [01:08:43] Speaker B: Okay. [01:08:43] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:08:44] Speaker B: Well, I'm gonna save Corey Bush for last because she's in. She's Missouri. But Jamal Bowman. Bowman. If, like, hypothetically, let's just pretend he's still in the squad. He would be. Okay, so we made Ayanna Ariana Presley a coconut or a mango. Since we made mango, let's give the coconut to Jamal Bowman and then Corey Bush. Jesus. It's hard. We did fruit. Let's make Corey. I'll make Corey Bush a tomato. Because you really. Because I don't know. The. The. The story is like, you. You don't really. [01:09:23] Speaker C: I mean, we could maybe have it. Yeah. [01:09:26] Speaker B: We have two tomatoes. [01:09:27] Speaker C: They might briefly allow a second tomato to appear. [01:09:31] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, because you can't really know because, like, this. [01:09:35] Speaker C: You don't know if they're gonna appear in every episode. These are just gonna be Right. [01:09:41] Speaker B: But also, the legend is you don't know if tomatoes are actually a vegetable or fruits. So I Think it's a pass. [01:09:47] Speaker C: Okay. Okay. Now we've got two really challenging ones here to round us out. First, Elizabeth Warren. And if you say an ear of corn, you are racist, Elizabeth Warren. Damn it. [01:10:06] Speaker B: This is tricky. I would say. [01:10:09] Speaker D: I'm just. I'm just gonna back out of this one. [01:10:12] Speaker B: Yeah, I think I'm gonna back out, too. I mean, I have. [01:10:16] Speaker C: Get back in here. Get back in here, you. Elizabeth Warren's gotta be a bit. I think Elizabeth Warren would be a practical. A practical, everyday vegetable. [01:10:29] Speaker B: I was gonna say. I was gonna say green bean before I decided to drop that one for it. So if that's my. If that's a vegetable that I would make Elizabeth Warren, that's. That's what I would choose. [01:10:42] Speaker A: Oh, it's gonna be both fruits or vegetables. [01:10:45] Speaker B: And this is fun. [01:10:47] Speaker D: I'm gonna choose. I'm gonna choose Brussels sprouts. [01:10:51] Speaker C: Okay. [01:10:52] Speaker B: Okay. Now. Now we have to do media people in the. [01:10:56] Speaker C: No, I've got one more. I've got one more person that we're gonna discuss here, and then we'll do. [01:11:01] Speaker B: Media people, because I got a whole bunch of fruits and vegetables I can call actually. [01:11:06] Speaker D: Brussels sprouts. Can't really wear glasses. You really want of something that can. You can really stick some. Some glasses on. So, I mean, it's got to be. Green beans is probably. You got to have a taller one. Maybe an asparagus. An asparagus would be fine. [01:11:24] Speaker C: This would be fine. But I think a green bean is sounding pretty good. What about. Actually, wait, I. This is a bit of an odd choice, but I think it kind of fits. What about fennel? [01:11:32] Speaker B: Never had fennel, but that's not bad. That. That's not bad. [01:11:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [01:11:37] Speaker C: Kind of a bulb with a. A green top that could wear fennel. Could wear glasses. The important political questions of our time. Which would look more natural with glasses. [01:11:51] Speaker B: On, Fennel or Brussels sprouts? Probably fennel, depending on what it looks like. [01:11:58] Speaker A: This is the most important. [01:11:59] Speaker C: Is it. Wait, let's say, is this Brussels. Is it Brussels sprouts just in a pile, or is it, like, on the vine? Or is it a little bit of both? [01:12:08] Speaker B: Maybe a little bit of both. Yeah. Yeah. Brussels sprouts. I mean, if it's on a vine, it's. [01:12:15] Speaker C: It's like a weird stock. [01:12:16] Speaker B: It's a. Yeah, if it's on. If it's on the weird stock, you could probably make Liz with Warren. Brussels sprouts. But then, like, you'd have to have the next in line be the fennel. Because Brussels sprouts, if it's on the stock, you can. It can wear glasses. [01:12:28] Speaker A: There you have it. Brussels sprouts was on the stock. [01:12:31] Speaker C: Okay. Okay. Our final and most challenging one. Final and most challenging one. Elsie Gabber. [01:12:39] Speaker B: Oh. [01:12:42] Speaker C: Needs a veggie soda. She's got an episode in the, in the, in the. Bernie Sanders veggie tail Gabbard is just. [01:12:50] Speaker B: A bunch of macaroni for me. I'm just kidding. Had you there for a minute. Tulsi Gabbard can be a carrot if in regards to it, we haven't said carrots. So, like, it could be like a big carrot with, like, the wavy hair. Unless somebody comes up with something better. [01:13:10] Speaker D: Are there any vegetables with feet. [01:13:16] Speaker B: With shoes. [01:13:20] Speaker D: Maybe? Tulsi Gabbard is a seaweed of some kind. [01:13:25] Speaker C: Yeah, that actually totally checks out Brandon's. [01:13:32] Speaker D: You know, seaweed. Seaweed can attach to this or that, you know, and. [01:13:37] Speaker B: And she just attaches herself to anyone who gives her, like, the best advice. So. So Tulsa Gabbard is definitely seaweed. [01:13:47] Speaker C: Okay, we've, we've, We've just over an hour here, so I want to, out of respect for everyone's time, move towards wrapping up. But I've got one last question for everyone here that's going to potentially shake everyone to their core. But first, Andrew, I need you to explain what is a quote unquote, Larry Boy. [01:14:13] Speaker A: Larry like to dress up like a superhero and go around town. There's vigilantes style justice, as some of my adventures have been. Larryboy in the Fib from outer space in Larry Boy in the Rumor Ring as I go on onto the streets to take down these monsters with all my fancy gadgets. [01:14:38] Speaker C: Oh, Larry the Cucumber as an alternate personality, a Persona. Larry Boy, a vigilante justice character who, I mean, relatively low violence as far as vigilante justice goes, but some mayhem still involved in some of Larry Boy's acts. Where do you think Bernie Sanders and the squad stand on Larryboy? Do they condone or condemn the actions of this rogue cucumber? [01:15:17] Speaker A: Did we kill him? [01:15:18] Speaker D: Maybe that. Maybe that long and profound silence is the answer. [01:15:24] Speaker B: I think the answer is there's just no answer. They don't know how will you condemn or deny? [01:15:31] Speaker A: You know, Larry Boy going out on his own. He caused some property damage. [01:15:38] Speaker C: Andrew, you're our Veggie Tales expert. Are you neutral on this issue? Or do you have a. Do you have a secret stance in your heart? [01:15:46] Speaker A: I'm thinking, I think Bernie Sanders would try to put the focus on the things that Larry Boy has to do because the government is unable to do it. And the media is making this a much bigger deal than it seems. You know what you could do, Tinky? Stop Larry Boy. You could talk about the issues and we could get issues done. Then we wouldn't need Larry Boy anymore. The government should be stopping the rumor weeds. The government should have stopped the bad apple. But we, we let our own people down. What do you think's going to happen? Let's focus on the issues. [01:16:31] Speaker C: That was compelling. [01:16:32] Speaker B: Yeah. [01:16:34] Speaker C: I don't think there's any better place for us to leave it than there. John, thank you for being a part of our wonderful bewildering experience today and voting with us. We have all civic duty and voted today and all of you listeners, you have voted as well. John, if people want to find you, follow you watch something that you're making. Where do they do that? [01:17:00] Speaker B: Well, first of all, thank you all for having me. The. It's great to be here. I hope we could do a followup at some point of a different topic. But I would love Vote. [01:17:08] Speaker A: Vote. [01:17:09] Speaker B: Yeah. So I am on both YouTube and Twitch. I host TGRS really periodic try to periodically. I do YouTube interviews. I am on Twitter JonathanRoss92. I am on Blue Sky John Ross 1992 sky.com or bluesky app or whatever they're calling it. I am going to be starting some projects very soon that I wish I could announce here but they're kind of in the working. They're in the early pre production stage so I can't really say. [01:17:49] Speaker C: Much better follow you so you can keep up with the good. [01:17:52] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. Well they're in the pre production stage so I can't really say much. [01:17:56] Speaker A: Yeah, just don't invite a reporter to the signal chat where you blab and blab all about it. [01:18:02] Speaker B: Yeah, no, no, no, no. And someone who, who rarely uses signal. Signal. I mean I know signal, but I am. I'm sort of using it rarely. I would not do that. Yeah. So YouTube and Twitch. I am on Twitter Blue Sky. I'm on Facebook if anyone still uses that. What else? What else? Yeah, that's pretty much it. [01:18:27] Speaker C: Thanks for being here today. [01:18:28] Speaker B: Absolutely. 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