Doctor Who Vs Museums and Antiquities w/ Mox

[00:00:01] Speaker A: Now, wait a minute. Now, wait a minute. You need to start. You can't edit this out. You can't. The audience has to know. You can't call it that. You can't call that. We're not going to tell you what it is. You can't call it that. [00:00:11] Speaker B: You absolutely can call it that. We encourage it. [00:00:15] Speaker A: Kennedy, what's your view? [00:00:16] Speaker C: My view is that a lot of people think elections are confusing, that they don't make sense. I'm here today to tell you that elections don't have to be confusing at all. You see, it's all just made up of some wibbly wobbly voty wo stuff. It'll make sense. It'll all make sense soon, I promise you. You're probably wondering, Kennedy, about to yell, because I usually yell at the start of this show. No, I went to a concert last night, but we're also recording this show very late. And I feel like I was just, like, trying to think, like, should I yell? And I had that feeling in my throat like, if I yell, I probably. I might not be able to record the rest of the. [00:01:05] Speaker A: Can I yell? Can I yell? Can I yell instead? [00:01:08] Speaker D: No, you can't yell. [00:01:10] Speaker C: Let me tell you something. [00:01:11] Speaker A: The guns of democracy don't just rely to one person right now. [00:01:17] Speaker B: Maybe everyone should realize that. [00:01:23] Speaker A: You're too loud. Your mic's not picking up on it. Okay, everybody, let me handle this. [00:01:35] Speaker D: It's over. [00:01:36] Speaker C: The bit is. [00:01:37] Speaker D: Oh, the bid is over. Let's just move on. [00:01:40] Speaker A: Audience, if you don't mind doing me a huge favor, please, please go out, put a vote on a ballot. Just go ahead and do that, please. That is my. [00:01:51] Speaker C: I think this time you should yell because we're struggling here on our end. I think. I think you should yell. We don't have enough voter power, say, at a normal volume. [00:02:03] Speaker D: Okay? [00:02:04] Speaker C: It's the most important election of our lives. This election, which will be, I do truly believe, the most important election of our lifetime. [00:02:12] Speaker B: This is the most important election of our lifetime. [00:02:15] Speaker C: This is the most important election. [00:02:17] Speaker B: Don't you hear that? This is the most important election in our lifetime. I certainly think it's the most important. [00:02:24] Speaker C: Election of my lifetime. [00:02:26] Speaker D: This is the most important election of our times. [00:02:30] Speaker A: Politicians say every time. [00:02:32] Speaker D: This is the most important election. [00:02:33] Speaker B: This one's really that important. If you are in line to yell, stay in line. [00:02:41] Speaker A: Maybe the real election was the friends we met along the way. [00:02:44] Speaker C: It's the most important election of our lives. And we're. We're here to vote. Once again, I I'm just saying it at a regular volume. But you at home, yell it. Yell it right now. Thank you. Thank you for that. All right, great. [00:02:58] Speaker A: I'm an audience member. [00:03:00] Speaker C: Vote, Vote. It's time to vote. It's time to get in the polling booth once again. I'm super stoked to be here. We've got, as always, some. Some folks that you'll recognize here on the panel, some usual suspects. We've got Brandon Buchanan, who you've already heard. Hey. We've got our in house statistician, Andrew Fields, providing a. [00:03:25] Speaker A: You could call me a standard deviant. [00:03:29] Speaker C: Providing a thin veneer of credibility to this show. And joining us at the polling place today, marching down to the polling booth the first time, we've got Mox. Welcome to the show. Artist extraordinaire, poster to be seen, general Internet person. Mox. What's up? [00:03:52] Speaker B: How are you doing? All right. Thank you guys so much for having us and you know, just here to have a little fun and shoot the shit. Should be a good time. [00:04:02] Speaker C: I couldn't agree more. It's great to have you here, Mox. You know something, I want to get out of the way right away. Not everybody listens to the end of shows, unfortunately, so I like to give our guests a chance to let people know what they've got going on right here at the top of the show rather than wait. So where should people find. Where should people find you? Give them. Give them the quick elevator pitch. [00:04:25] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, we are at Moxius Art on Blue sky, and as of just this past week, it's artbymox. Shop is the place to find all of our stuff just because of some weird DNS issues. So, new URL for Pride month. Hooray. [00:04:47] Speaker A: Yay, the Democrats. Socialist. [00:04:49] Speaker C: So proud to have a new URL. [00:04:51] Speaker B: Yeah, you gotta love a good anarchist with a dot shop domain. But that's the way things go. [00:04:59] Speaker C: This is the way the cookie crumbles right there. Yeah. So Mox, you brought us the topic today. You were excited. I don't have a good transition for this at all because I'm not actually that familiar with Doctor who. [00:05:13] Speaker A: Yeah. But this is a hard one. Like we have to ask who would have a good transition? Maybe a doctor. Ooh, which Mox is now. You're the doctor right now. [00:05:25] Speaker B: I think we can regenerate into a good transition. [00:05:28] Speaker C: Much worse than no transition. [00:05:30] Speaker A: Thank you. [00:05:31] Speaker D: I was thinking that as well. [00:05:33] Speaker A: Thank you. Thank you. [00:05:38] Speaker C: Mox. What's special about Doctor who? Do you what made you want to Talk about this today with us. [00:05:43] Speaker D: Aside from the fact that it's finally over. [00:05:46] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:05:47] Speaker D: Has your struggle come to an end or are you still in the midst of it? [00:05:51] Speaker B: I mean, really hoping it's not over, but also really don't want it to keep going the way it just ended. [00:05:59] Speaker A: Oh, yes, I saw. And I've seen enough of those posts on the Internet that are like, okay for this, this fandom to understand what just happened to Dr. Who describe something that would be completely awful if it happened in the other fandoms. [00:06:13] Speaker B: Exactly. I mean, it was, it was a bad way to end. This most recent season, we've been kicking around a bunch of ideas as to what to talk about and then just. No, no, we have some shit we need to talk through. [00:06:24] Speaker A: Therapy, Podcast therapy. [00:06:27] Speaker B: This is, this is now therapy. But yeah, I mean, Doctor who is probably one of our most favorite franchises on earth. It is what we fall asleep listening to every single night and just love it. And you know, I mean, obviously the elephant in the room is living life as a DID system. Just having the concept of bigger on the inside in your brain and multiple versions of yourself, etc. Etc. It kind of just speaks to you in a very special way. [00:07:02] Speaker C: Yeah, that makes sense. And you know, I mean, I know that Doctor who just, just stepped in it here with the end of the most recent season, so to speak, but also, I think it's the sort of. It's the long running kooky sci fi series. Speaking as somebody who watches a few long running kooky sci fi series, it's the kind of thing that you just have to expect ups and downs in, I think. [00:07:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I mean, it'll never die. Cut to it dead. But it's, it's one of those things that is invincible. But it, you know, if it survived the chibnall years, it'll survive this. But it, it's not great. It's not great right now. [00:07:43] Speaker C: That's kind of, that's kind of my feeling. I think it'll make it. [00:07:46] Speaker A: I hate to be that guy, but when you said it's non invincible, what passed through my mind was the invincible logo and that little sound. It's not show's invincible logo. Continue. [00:07:59] Speaker C: Yeah, it's not invincible. It's only run for a couple of seasons and will probably get canceled before it reaches a satisfying conclusion. [00:08:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:08:06] Speaker B: When it comes to like the long running sci fi series, it's not a matter of not reaching this final conclusion, like the satisfying conclusion due to being cut short. It's just not Knowing where you're going in any given direction at all, until the entire concept of a conclusion is lost to you and you just want more in hopes that you'll find that magic again. See also Star Trek or aside from andor everything going on in Star wars right now. [00:08:37] Speaker A: Andor what? [00:08:39] Speaker C: Yep. [00:08:41] Speaker D: You know, we talked about this, this franchise being not able to die. It did. It has had extended hiatuses. Do we mean not die in the sense of it will exist in the hearts and minds of its fans? Or like, is it okay if this show just isn't on for like five years? [00:09:00] Speaker C: Yeah, I think it's okay if the show is in. I mean, like, it's not ideal, obviously, for the people that love it. [00:09:07] Speaker B: Yeah, it would be a bummer to have it go into another extended hiatus because as of right now, it has still, since 2005, had at least one episode every year. Even during the dark times. Like one of the years it technically rattled the line by having one on like New Year's Eve and then New Year's. So like, technically. [00:09:34] Speaker A: Well, actually. [00:09:37] Speaker B: But they made it work somehow hit that deadline. So it would be a bummer if it was dead. Dead. It may need to just go, go sit in the hole for a little while and really think about what it just did. Namely, let's kill the first gay Doctor during Pride month. And a surprise regeneration. [00:10:01] Speaker A: Very cool. [00:10:04] Speaker B: Oh my God. It came out of nowhere and wasn't even well written. Like, oh, God. [00:10:10] Speaker A: Anyway, you know what, at least they replaced him with a brand new character we've never seen in Doctor who. Right? [00:10:20] Speaker B: Yeah, well, actually, we don't know because usually. Yeah. For those listening at home that don't follow Doctor who, the Doctor regenerated into the body of a companion that he has had in the past. But usually in the credits, when someone regens into, you know, the Doctor, it says, and introducing, insert actor here as the Doctor. But when at the end of this most recent episode, you know, Billy Piper pops out of the Doctor's body and says, oh, hello. And just says, and introducing Billy Piper. But no, and as the Doctor. So we have no idea what the fuck she is or what's happening, the show might just be canceled. And that, that's just something we're gonna have to live with. [00:11:07] Speaker A: Oh, hello, Geralt. [00:11:10] Speaker C: The show's definitely canceled. But is it canceled? You know what I'm saying? [00:11:13] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. [00:11:14] Speaker A: Yeah, no, Kennedy. It took me a second. Yeah, it took. [00:11:18] Speaker B: Let's expand on that. [00:11:21] Speaker C: Yeah. So zoom in. Enhanced complicated, long running franchise that sometimes, sometimes has cultural value, sometimes maybe arguably be detractive or appropriative of culture. We could say. [00:11:39] Speaker B: Mm. As with most long running sci fi series and. [00:11:46] Speaker C: And currently is facing some of those tribulations. There's. There's something there. There's actually a lot of other things I could compare to this. So, you know, if I say there's something else in our world. [00:11:58] Speaker A: Okay, I'll say. I'll say something. As somebody who doesn't watch Doctor who but knows just enough about it, the latest Doctor didn't even face off against a Dalek. What? How do you have a Doctor not fight a Dalek? [00:12:14] Speaker B: I don't know if he saw one. [00:12:16] Speaker A: Yeah, like, how do you have a Doctor who that. [00:12:20] Speaker B: See one is the question. It's just kind of rewatching the last two series in our head right now. [00:12:27] Speaker A: Oh, I'm Doctor who. I don't even know what a Dalek is. [00:12:30] Speaker B: I don't think he even saw one. But, yeah, I mean, that's the thing is, yeah, this most recent run had some bangers, but then did not bang. It has ceased to bang. And banging is important. [00:12:45] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, I've seen part of that one episode where they finally confront the fact that, yes, this Doctor is a black man and yes, some people would rather die than be saved by a black man. [00:12:56] Speaker B: Yes, that was a very good episode, or especially a very good ending. But, I mean, it was a pretty solid episode. That season started out super and then found its stride and we're like, yeah, yeah, you're doing it. This is great. This is great. Okay, okay. And then it just shut the bed in its finale. It's like, okay, okay, well, you're bad at finale. That's fine. That's almost always been the case. Come back next season, show us what you got. And they came back and the season was doing really good. Had a couple of all time, let's not say all timers, but had a couple of really good ones. And then come to the finale and. [00:13:39] Speaker C: Long series of question marks. So, yeah, so it's, you know, Doctor who long, long standing tradition has its ups and downs. So naturally, the other topic that we're gonna be discussing today is museums in antiquities. [00:13:57] Speaker B: Oh, goody. [00:14:01] Speaker C: You know, museums are these things that do have value to a large extent, but there's also a large extent to which the institution of museums is built on blood and suffering and stolen objects. [00:14:18] Speaker B: It absolutely is. [00:14:19] Speaker C: Nowhere is this more true than in Britain, a place where Doctor who spends. [00:14:26] Speaker B: Most of its time. Yeah, it's kind of weird. That you have this, you know, immortal space being and he always just ends up in whatever the modern 20th century Britain is, or 21st, I guess now. [00:14:41] Speaker A: Like how a lot of monsters are drawn to New York City specifically. Like Doctor who specifically. Just really loves the UK because he is crazy. And this is the sign that he is insane. [00:14:54] Speaker B: Really loves a good quarry in Cardiff. [00:14:59] Speaker A: That's the biggest thing sometimes. Doctor who is she, as we've established. [00:15:04] Speaker B: Yes. [00:15:07] Speaker C: Even if Dr. Who was willing to put up with England to some extent, like around the time of Brexit, Doctor who would be like, well, I'm in France now. [00:15:18] Speaker B: They actually made a really funny reference to Brexit while it was happening in the show where, like there's the. In Doctor who, like the in universe kind of UN secret organization, whatever they're called, unit. And during Brexit, like this retro little episodes that happened then the Doctor tries to get in contact with them but is unable to because none of the phone lines there are connected anymore because it's run by the UN and Britain isn't there. It's like all tied into the UN and the EU and everything. And Britain is seceded, which was pretty, pretty. And yeah. And the Doctor's like, what? Where are you? What the hell? So, but yeah, no, let's talk about the British Museum. How much it sucks. [00:16:06] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:16:06] Speaker C: So, you know, the British Museum as an institution loves to pride itself on all these wonderful artifacts that they found on the ground. [00:16:18] Speaker B: No, no one was using. [00:16:20] Speaker A: Just like an RPG character. Like, just like an RPG character. They went into some random houses, found some things in treasure chest. And like, this is mine now. [00:16:28] Speaker B: What is the world if not a giant loot drop. [00:16:30] Speaker A: Damn. [00:16:32] Speaker C: So British Museum around for since 1759. I didn't realize it was quite that old. But the price is that young. [00:16:42] Speaker B: I mean. [00:16:43] Speaker A: Yeah, I mean, it had to be before America was founded as a country. I was thinking more 1600s. [00:16:50] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:16:50] Speaker C: No, prior to this, most of these kind of artifacts were held by like Knights Templar type. [00:16:56] Speaker B: Sure. [00:16:57] Speaker A: Oh, okay. Yeah. You're good at history. And we're thinking a little too modern. [00:17:03] Speaker C: I was surprised it's that old. Just because the idea of displaying objects so that someone might enjoy them is sort of a newer concept. [00:17:14] Speaker A: Yes, that's fair. But also in their case, it's European societies. But like, it's bragging. Like, is it so they enjoy it or so you can be like, look at how great. Look how great we are. [00:17:27] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, it's. It's bragging and it's, you know, the concept of, you know, especially, I guess, yeah, in the 1700s, you're not gonna ever go to Greece, you're too busy having cholera. So here, we brought some to you. But also, don't come in here, you're dirty. [00:17:43] Speaker A: I can't go to Greece. I just checked my schedule and I'll be too busy being sick. [00:17:50] Speaker B: Or that. That could also just be 2020. [00:17:52] Speaker C: Here's where it gets messy though, right? In terms of like museums kind of fucked up, but they have this value. So like, like the British Museum, it really was founded from a relatively learning oriented perspective and in fact primarily housed books and manuscripts at first, like it was more of a library at first. And at early, early on it was only for quote, unquote, learned gentlemen. But slowly access did warm up over time and in like the 1800s it was much more. It became like, like in the early 1800s it became like a lot more accessible. And so like, I'm in no way justifying the existence of the British Museum, but I'm saying like museums as a whole, right. Have this complicated legacy that like in some ways starts with this. [00:18:44] Speaker B: Oh, absolutely. [00:18:45] Speaker C: And so, and so any museum that you've ever been to and valued, like, you have to think about this stuff a little bit. And like I say, even if you look into the history of it, look at the original founding principles of the British Museum, it doesn't sound that bad on paper. You know what I mean? [00:19:02] Speaker B: That is, that is really true. Especially I like lived in D.C. for a while and one of the things you do when you are broke and living in D.C. is just hang out at museums because they're all free. And there's of course like a lot of, a lot of value there. There's a lot of just impressive stuff and impressive, you know, inspiring stuff. And especially if you're a kid and just, you know, like you go and it's just, wow, what is this? This makes me want to learn about insert thing, you know, whether it be some piece of antiquity, some piece of art, a big ass dinosaur skeleton, you know, whatever it may be. So that there, it's not one of those things that is easily like 100% evil or anything like that. It has a, like the concept of museums and especially like the bigger ones have a lot of good in this world. They're also just soaked in blood. So it's something you just have to grapple with. [00:20:02] Speaker C: Yeah. I would be interested in hearing what everyone on the panel thinks about this to some extent, but I do think that there is, you Know, like, I think about, like, my experiences both as a kid, which was obviously somewhat more profound, but even as an adult, going to museums and, you know, getting to see these ancient things or these special things, and even at something like a mineral museum, which is. It could, in theory be, like, a little more ethical. It's like, well, some of these stones were pulled out of the ground using, like, no unpaid, forced labor. Different, you know, like, you just have to, like, kind of, like, think in your mind, like, even in a place like that, it's like, how. How much of this can you trust to be ethical? Each individual museum, it varies so much. So I do believe that, like, getting to see these things can create wonder for learning and stuff like that. But I don't know. Like, I. I'm. I'm personally conflicted on it, which is part of why I wanted to discuss it with everyone today. So. So before we move on to sillier topics, I actually kind of want to turn this more serious question around. Just kind of ask everyone, how much value do you see in this stuff? Do you think it's relatively worth it? Do you think it's. I mean, I'm not trying to put you on the spot and say you have. Have to give some absolute answer here or anything like that, but just in your personal experience, like, do you feel like museums have been good for your life? Do you feel like there may be, like, good enough to, like, try to find some way to continue? Or do you feel like maybe they're a little overrated? Or where do you stand? [00:21:38] Speaker A: I think museums have a lot of value, which is part of the ethical issue, because we're taking, like, the British Museum, but. But they're the big ones. But it happens all over. We're taking from other countries and making it our own so only our own people can benefit from it. Like, I do think museums are very useful. Yeah. Ethical. Got it. We live in a society. Got it. I still eat a lot of meat. I know I shouldn't. Got it. There's a lot of things we can do, but, like, I think part of the issue is we're taking away the opportunity for people in their culture to learn more about that and giving it to the quote of the bigger countries. Yeah. [00:22:27] Speaker B: I mean, and not just learn about that, but also learn about themselves. Right. You have these situations, especially, like, you know, we're talking about the British Museum a bunch, like the stuff they pulled out of sites like Angkor Wat and stuff like that, where you have people who don't even know their Own history because someone went in and took it from them and brought it back to a big building that they'll never, ever get to see in a country they'll never get to visit. Same thing goes for a lot of museums, like Smithsonian in general, for instance, Doing, like, in America, taking stuff from indigenous cultures and being like, oh, look at this cool stuff. Come, come check it out. No, not you. You don't get to learn about yourself. Go away. But on the whole, yeah, the concept of museums is a great thing, and it's really valuable. The question just comes down to is there a way to do it ethically and especially, like, with a, you know, some sort of fair exchange? Right. Whether that be financial, monetary, whatever, or like, hey, we're gonna learn about you. You want to learn about us? Let's. [00:23:41] Speaker C: Right. I think that's what's missing a lot, is the opportunity for people to tell their own stories rather than have them be told for them in the. In the museum exchange. [00:23:52] Speaker B: Exactly. [00:23:55] Speaker D: I'm not sure this conversation will have the same relevance in 40 years or 50 years. It's cool for us to talk about history, but I'm not sure that future generations will even relate to history in the same way that we do. I think we're in a critical moment right now in human history that's irreplaceable, where scientific knowledge and cultural communication is, like, extremely important. It's better to have it than to not have it. And when we think about the things that could introduce equity into those situations, that a lot of those situations we might have. What's the next paragraph of that situation? How is it implemented? And it's something that those real institutions. And remember that, of course, when we talk about the history of museums, that this isn't just a, like, an ethnic monolith where, you know, museums. And the idea of exploitation between cultures is not just between England and India, it's between India and itself. There are thousands and hundreds of sub cultures that are involved in the telling of history. And who is appointed as a national representative for, like, one gallery, museum or another have their own sectarian interests in, like, where art goes and how it's viewed. And it's very difficult to have, like, solutions that in the end, are, like, extremely democratic and extremely just. Of course, there are targets that are just so egregious over history. You can look at almost any major museum now in the United States for sure, and you can say, well, here are a raft of technical legalities that make it just obviously unethical. And you can Look, I mean, especially. I won't name cities, but Orlando, Phoenix, Chicago, the Smithsonian, you can put any of those into Google and just type in museum scandal. And you'll hear stories of what's been stolen and from what country and from where. I guess the end of it is to say, and maybe this sounds like dissimulation, but it's not. It is what it is. [00:26:19] Speaker C: Fair enough. [00:26:24] Speaker D: The cat is way out of the bag when it comes to what historical images are, where, what people can see, what they're even, what they even. I think we're now in a situation where for the next 20 years, let's make sure that the next generation wants to see its history. Yeah, that's. That's big job, one for all of us right now. [00:26:45] Speaker A: History is behind us, and that's why we have to make sure it's ahead of us. I have no fucking clue what I just said. Let's get going. [00:26:53] Speaker B: Or you can just leave it all up to Silicon Valley. We'll feed pictures of it all into a. [00:26:57] Speaker A: No, no. Bad box. No, bad, bad, Bad guest. Bad guest. [00:27:03] Speaker B: Tell us what happened. [00:27:04] Speaker A: I'm swaggy with a spray bottle. Bad guess. [00:27:09] Speaker C: Yeah. I want to move us on to funnier topics momentarily, but before I do, I just want to very quickly. You know, Brandon had mentioned these kinds of statistics that you can find about this stuff. I just think it's sobering to hear this. So the country that the British Museum, you know, we were talking about, like the. The obvious grayness, but, like, some things are good or bad, I think we can rule that this one thing in particular is fucking horrible, horrifying, which is that of the countries that the British Museum has taken artifacts from, they've taken the most from Iraq, and they have taken 164,000. [00:27:53] Speaker A: That's more than 163,000. [00:27:57] Speaker B: It's a lot. [00:28:00] Speaker C: I don't want us to dwell on that super long. I just think it's. I think it's important. I think people don't really realize the scale of this stuff. [00:28:08] Speaker A: Well, we're not. They're not stealing from them, they're reacquiring and reassessing. [00:28:18] Speaker C: They're protecting it. [00:28:19] Speaker B: Protecting it from yourself. [00:28:21] Speaker A: I want to redact it. [00:28:24] Speaker C: Yeah. So I feel like there's kind of an overlap here because, like, Doctor who, much like museums, also has kind of an interesting cultural place where he, she, they, it sits. [00:28:42] Speaker B: It has an interesting cultural place and also an interesting pattern of, let's say, borrowing cultural pieces from other countries, borrowing pieces of history to Use as a jumping off point. Yes, there's something they have gotten better at sometimes are worse at others. But it is one of those things that. Yeah, it is. Whenever, kind of you're dealing with some sort of fiction that deals with going to the past. Past. Oh, God, like, you're going to. Up. You're going to do something bad. There's landmines everywhere. [00:29:26] Speaker C: So I think the best place for us to climb into the polling booth, get started with our votes today is with this crucial question, which is, is the TARDIS a museum? [00:29:40] Speaker B: I mean, kind of. I. It. Guess there could be, because it's infinite, right? And there's been plenty of times where the Doctor has come out holding a thing that's like, where'd you get that? Oh, you know, Babylon in 2400 BC. And it's like, okay, how much other shit do you have back there, dog? [00:29:57] Speaker A: How much did Doctor who steal? [00:30:00] Speaker B: Yeah, exactly. How. [00:30:02] Speaker A: What is this, a villain protagonist? [00:30:05] Speaker B: This is a conspiracy that we need to get to the bottom of the. [00:30:08] Speaker C: This kind of harkens back. This kind of harkens back to last week's episode where we were talking about how there's no excuse to be a broke vampire, because if nothing else, you should be able to just like, hoard a few random objects from one era and then sit on them. You know, like Doctor who has that going for. For every incarnation. [00:30:29] Speaker B: I would love to see, like, a version of the Doctor that's just a long, like, just. Yeah, it just. Hodles. It's just. He's just an nft. [00:30:45] Speaker D: You've just. [00:30:47] Speaker A: I can't do a Kennedy. Do me a favor. I can't do a British. Good British accent to be Doctor who boarding NFTs. [00:31:00] Speaker C: There you go. That's all you, Brandon. [00:31:02] Speaker B: Let's go be the first people ever canceled by the. The British. [00:31:06] Speaker D: Honestly. Phenomenal. Kennedy. Maybe, maybe, maybe they shouldn't cancel Doctor who after all. They may have a new showrunner. Kennedy, get out there and let him see your stuff. Yeah, yeah, you can both write direct. [00:31:25] Speaker A: Wait, you haven't. Wait, you're not really British. You're not really British. You haven't said bing bong yet. [00:31:31] Speaker D: Okay. [00:31:31] Speaker A: Okay. [00:31:32] Speaker D: Yeah, there you go. Yeah, as far as the TARDIS goes, you know, anywhere can be a bathroom if you poop there. So I guess if you have enough. If you have enough. If you have enough old stuff, your car becomes a museum at some point. [00:31:51] Speaker C: All right, well, then let me get more specific, I guess. Does the TARDIS provide municultural value in the manner of a museum, it provides. [00:32:02] Speaker B: Cultural value to the 8 or so people who are ever allowed to get in there. [00:32:06] Speaker A: Yeah, that's my question. [00:32:11] Speaker D: If it's a private museum, it's still a museum. If it provides immense cultural value to the eight friends of the collector, doesn't that fit the requirements? [00:32:21] Speaker B: And you can't argue that there be that they're segregationist or racist because there's been like does three people of color allowed it? So it's fine. [00:32:30] Speaker A: It's fine. [00:32:30] Speaker D: Yeah, it's just, it's just, it's just regular nepotism. It's just regular good old fashioned favorite. [00:32:36] Speaker A: I'm getting. You have to be so like the Doctor's partner. Are, are they always a woman or are they. Okay, so I have a chance, So I have a chance. I have a chance to get. [00:32:48] Speaker B: Yeah, in the modern era, it's almost, almost always a 20 year old woman. [00:32:56] Speaker A: I have a chance to go. [00:32:58] Speaker D: There was. There was just a guy two guys ago. Yeah, there was, there was a guy just two guys ago. [00:33:05] Speaker B: Yeah, the only time that. That's not true in the modern era. Well, I guess. Okay, so during the 11th Doctor, you had Rory, who was the other companion's husband. Aside from tag along husband, who is actually just fucking rad. I fucking love Rory. But it doesn't matter. Look, that's not. He. When the Doctor was a woman, there were male companions. The only time in the modern era. Exactly like presidents. [00:33:30] Speaker C: Oh no. [00:33:32] Speaker A: So if I go out right now, before the next episode is released, I have a chance to be the new Doctor's companion. If I just take action right now. [00:33:40] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, you could, you could balance the ticket. [00:33:43] Speaker C: Yes, yes, let's go. [00:33:47] Speaker B: But yeah, so as long as you are usually a 20 year old British woman, you can get into this great museum one at a time. Okay. Sometimes two. Sometimes two. And that's important. [00:34:02] Speaker A: And don't forget the Doctor gets a museum. You know, it's progressive. Sometimes you just. Progress is slow, everybody. Progress is slow. Sometimes you have to vote for 20 years to get one person, two people, her husband. Yeah, like progress is slow, people. Sometimes you have to vote for 20 years before you see any progress. Oh God, A liberal vampire bit me and I'm a liberal now. [00:34:27] Speaker B: Goody. [00:34:28] Speaker C: Okay, okay, here's my next question. Does the TARDIS slash Doctor system adequately and correctly catalog, store and preserve artifacts? Is this a trustworthy museum? [00:34:43] Speaker B: The Doctor caused the eruption at Pompeii. Canonically, isn't there such a thing? [00:34:50] Speaker D: I consider that. [00:34:52] Speaker C: Okay, but that, that's outside. That's outside the purview of the museum itself. [00:34:57] Speaker B: Well, I think it speaks to preserving cultural things, like preserving over you. [00:35:04] Speaker A: But like, I'm frustrated. Like, oh, I'm applying for your government job. Top secret. I caused Pompeii. No, you're not giving the job. You caused Pompeii. [00:35:17] Speaker D: I actually am only giving the job to someone who caused Pompeii. If I'm interested in the commission of history, isn't there such a thing as firsthand sources? First, y' all are tearing down the exclusivity of this museum. Now you're kicking out all the people who experienced it. [00:35:33] Speaker A: What will congratulations present is you're making me anti science now. Congratulations, Brandon. No, you made me anti science. [00:35:43] Speaker D: Yeah, I tried. Just what. What will be cool at the end of this segment? You got. It seems like you're legislating all of the. Of the cool vibes out of. Out of the Doctor's experience. If not for the ability to. You're going through all of the parts. The ability to tell people that you've caused natural disasters and that they should respect and fear you. You're taking that away. You're taking the exclusive tickets. [00:36:13] Speaker A: You know what? [00:36:13] Speaker C: You know what? [00:36:13] Speaker A: You know what? You know what? You know what? You know what? You know what? You're right. Let's make the Doctor. I don't. Let's change the constitution. Let's make the Doctor the next president. That's the only way you could get something more perfectly, more chaotic than Trump. Let's change the constitution. [00:36:27] Speaker B: Canonically, the Doctor is actually the President of Earth in times of crisis. [00:36:33] Speaker A: Okay, that's not so bad. That's not so bad. [00:36:36] Speaker C: Yeah, that's okay. So I. I think. I just think that we shouldn't let one or two little mistakes ruin a promising young Doctor's life. [00:36:55] Speaker A: Get off the floor. I don't. [00:36:58] Speaker B: He's literally billions of years old. [00:37:01] Speaker D: That's so funny. [00:37:05] Speaker C: No, I just want to say the people. People who went to high school with Doctor who say that they were really nice and a really just quiet, unassuming person that you wouldn't expect to blow up a volcano. [00:37:19] Speaker A: I've. I've heard that while Susan Collins was concerned. Was deeply concerned about the volcano, she ultimately voted for Doctor who. [00:37:28] Speaker D: She's also. Yeah, she was. She was deeply concerned about the Billy Piper regeneration, but she still upvoted the last episode. [00:37:38] Speaker C: All right, I want to rapid fire through some. Some. Some of as rapid as we can. A couple of Doctor who's personal Beliefs. Where do we think Doctor who would stand on a couple of issues. [00:37:52] Speaker A: His feet. With his feet. [00:37:58] Speaker C: That been addressed on the show, as far as I know, at least directly. I mean, probably indirectly. And Mox, you'll be able to speak to that best, I'm sure. [00:38:07] Speaker B: But, yeah, we have an encyclopedic knowledge of useless shit. [00:38:12] Speaker C: Yeah, Perfect. So would Dr. Who condone or condemn the ritual use of ayahuasca in ceremonial settings? [00:38:21] Speaker B: Almost certain. There's an episode where he gets high as shit on some sort of ritual thing. But yeah, no, he. He definitely blazes. Let's have some fun. [00:38:31] Speaker C: I feel like this one's a little bit of the softball of the three that I've got prepared, so. But does anyone else have a chime in on that, do you think? [00:38:38] Speaker A: I mean, from what I know from Dr. Who, he blazes it for 20 or whatever the local expression is. [00:38:44] Speaker C: We think Dr. Who's down with drugs. Probably the legalize all drugs kind of character to some extent. Maybe even. [00:38:51] Speaker B: Oh, he's absolutely a libertarian. [00:38:54] Speaker C: Yeah, Libertarian vibes is definitely what I'm getting. Okay. Okay, cool. Now here's a slightly stickier one. Where do you think good doctor stands on white dreadlocks? [00:39:07] Speaker B: Oh, hard against. It gotta be. Because if there's one thing that the Doctor is, it's stylish and that looks like ass. Right? We can all agree on that. So. [00:39:20] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, I know how the Doctors look, especially Dr. Four. Dr. Four with style. [00:39:27] Speaker C: You're just saying now. Pure style points. And I. I do agree. White dreadlocks always look horrifying, which is among the many reasons not to do it. [00:39:38] Speaker B: Actually. I guess. I guess what really, we really do need is a Ross Trent doctor. [00:39:47] Speaker C: We need a white dreadlocks doctor for representation. [00:39:50] Speaker B: Yeah, it's what. It's one of those things that's never been checked. [00:39:53] Speaker A: Oh, no, no. Get me out of this. Get me out of this. [00:39:57] Speaker C: No, I'll say this, I'll say this. We're gonna get that. Here's something I believe you can name any. Any cat, any ethnic or cultural category of person, and they will be a doctor first on the show before they have an Irish doctor. There will never be an Irish doctor as long as English. English people live and breathe and run that show. [00:40:22] Speaker B: It's true they've had Scottish. Both Scottish actors and Scottish actor being Scott or having a Scottish accent. But yeah, there's never going to be a limey. There's never going to be for a while. The doctor, every time he'd regenerate would look at his hair and be bummed that he wasn't ginger. [00:40:43] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:40:44] Speaker B: And yeah, that's pretty much speaking to exactly that. Which is, no, you're never gonna have a ginger doctor. [00:40:50] Speaker C: You never could have an Irish doctor, so. But you're making a good case that Doctor who would stand against white dreadlocks is anybody. They don't want anyone to have any, any strong case that, that, that if. [00:41:08] Speaker D: You were to take a 20 year old British woman and give them white dreadlocks, we're pretty sure Doctor who would make fun of that white British woman, which means they'd probably make fun of anyone. So I think we're, we're in the, we're in the pro camp, the anti camp. Right. [00:41:24] Speaker C: This is how you don't get in the tardis, is what I'm hearing. [00:41:29] Speaker A: Like I've, I've seen a lot of the Doctors and Yeah, like they tend to be stylish, especially number four. Rocking that scarf. Like, yeah, scarf is so good. [00:41:39] Speaker B: That's the Doctor we grew up on as a kid. Kid, like ditching school. Yeah. Or not ditching, but like, mom, I'm sick, I can't go to school today. And then just on pbs watching ancient episodes of Doctor who. [00:41:54] Speaker A: Yeah, I have a picture of the fourth Doctor now. And this. The Doctor knows stuff. [00:41:58] Speaker B: He. Oh my God, does that, man. Fuck. [00:42:02] Speaker A: That is the best scarf in human history. Doctor who. The fourth Doctor has the best scarf in human history. [00:42:09] Speaker B: Oh, no question. Like there's so many just iconic fits. It could do a doctoral dissertation. [00:42:15] Speaker C: Hey. [00:42:18] Speaker A: Oh yeah, what's this? Become a doctor. A doctor. A professional in Doctor who. Who could have possibly predicted that. Who was booed at the time, even though he was right. [00:42:29] Speaker B: Just that drip. Oh, God. That's one of the things that sucks so much about this most recent episode. Was it? [00:42:37] Speaker C: Here's the trickiest one, though. Ready for this one? Very tricky. Does Doctor who consider Puerto Rico colonized or decolonized? [00:42:47] Speaker B: Definitely colonized. [00:42:52] Speaker C: Really? I mean, Doctor who's stance on colonialism is a little sketchy sometimes. [00:42:58] Speaker B: There's always a wink and a nod towards. Don't like this, but you guys are going through your phase in history and I'm not allowed to get involved. [00:43:07] Speaker C: See, it's that not allowed to get involved part that feels a little like, like, like, you know, okay, I did, I did write down a little note here that wasn't like a direct question, but something I felt I might just bring up, which is the, is the fixed point in time. Excuse Real? Or is it just something that the doctors says when he's fucked up or when he just feels like there's no. There's no saving a situation or he's just. He can't think of how to fix something. [00:43:39] Speaker B: It's absolute. Like, it's absolutely. It's absolute. Like, there are times when it's followed like gospel and like, no, we gotta let that dude die. But then there's times when it's like, turns out the fixed point was wrong. What I've decided the fixed point is, is the fixed point. Actually, the eruption in Pompeii is a good example. That was a fixed point in time. You're not allowed to get involved and try to prevent or save anybody or anything like that. The eruption was a fixed point. [00:44:12] Speaker A: It's like Spider versus canon events, where it's really looking like in the next movie we're going to find out that canon events were bullshit. Because there's a lot of hints. [00:44:24] Speaker B: There's a lot of hints. Yeah. And like. Yeah, so for when it came to. When it came to Vesuvius, right? Shows up and the volcano's going like, a little wonky. And they're like, we cannot get involved and try to warn people to get out of here. They need to die. They need to fucking die. That's their job right now in history is die from this volcano. Then as the episode goes on, find out like, no, the volcano is not supposed to erupt. And then the Doctor's like, I gotta make this thing erupt. [00:44:57] Speaker A: Are we sure we're forgiving this? [00:44:59] Speaker B: I'm forgiving it because it's great storytelling. [00:45:03] Speaker D: Yeah. I also think all of you have just been just way too hard on the Doctor here. You know, just doing a little. You blow up a little volcano once in a while, that's just part of the business, you know, canon events. [00:45:19] Speaker C: I mean, you got. [00:45:20] Speaker D: If you have anything that involves time travel, you don't, you know, you don't want to go back and fix everything. What kind of TV show would that be, you know, for. For three Spider man movies? Maybe it's okay to admit that canon events are bullshit, but once you've opened up the museum, once you've taken out all the stuff from the TARDIS and delivered it back to their appropriate parts in time, now you're going back and you're fixing all of the mistakes of time. You're basically like, where is the fun? Where. How much fun is going to be allowed to have for this cosmic traveler? Sometimes you gotta blow up a Volcano. [00:46:00] Speaker A: I just been on the line with Republican Lisa Murkowski, and even though she's also been worried about Dr. Who, she's still voting for him. So I'm going to have to go for him. [00:46:12] Speaker B: There you go. That's how it goes. Yeah, the argument. The funny thing I'm kind of speaking to that. The funny thing that sometimes gets brought up by fans is like, hey, it would stop being problematic by just setting more in the future. Right? But if you are going, like, canonically, right, you're putting yourself in this. In this universe, like, okay, set more things in the future on different. Different planets. You're still up their history. [00:46:40] Speaker A: Okay, okay. You know what? [00:46:42] Speaker B: On this planet that you just landed, their up. [00:46:46] Speaker A: Okay, I know what redeems Doctor who. I know the one thing we can always bring up when we try to bring up his wrongdoings. I know the one thing we can bring up every time we're like, he did this. We could be like, oh, he's redeemed. He did this. It was when he brought Van Gogh into present time to find out how much of an impact his paintings actually made. Every time he brings something up, bad up about him. Oh, remember that time he brought them go to present time to realize that he actually made a huge impact. [00:47:17] Speaker B: Yeah, Seriously, that is such a beautiful episode. And like, as someone who lives with severe mental illness, like, oh, my God, that episode's made us cry so many times. It's such a good episode. [00:47:29] Speaker A: So you know what? Every crime Doctor who has committed is given by me because of that one time. He brought Van Gogh to present time to realize that he. His life would make a huge pass. [00:47:41] Speaker C: All right, all right, fine, fine. Okay, so we're. We're. We're giving Doctor who sort of a pass, being a little about history. But let's. Let's talk about some of the potential consequences if Dr. Who was to be real in our. In our real world. [00:48:01] Speaker B: What's. What's. What? Actually, one more thing. When it comes to. When it comes to the Doctor and museums, canonically, his last job at the end of his timeline, canonically, the last thing he is is the curator of the museum. [00:48:16] Speaker A: Dang. [00:48:17] Speaker B: The British Museum is his tardis. [00:48:20] Speaker A: What if. [00:48:22] Speaker C: Wow. [00:48:23] Speaker A: What if Hillary Clinton was supposed to win in 2016? Doctor who messed with it, in which just like, oh, that's a canon event. [00:48:32] Speaker B: Yeah, that. That actually would be a very good episode. Like, no, Trump needs to win like, it's a canon event. It's not Trump winning at the fixed point in time. [00:48:43] Speaker C: Make a season of need to make a season of Doctor who. That is it's always sunny in Philadelphia about horrifying fixed points in time that the Doctor can't change. Every single one is just the Doctor being like, I could probably stop this volcano from blowing up. And then it's like, gang blows up a volcano. [00:49:09] Speaker B: You can do it. Just. Yeah. The Doctor poking in at random things, being like, no, this is canon. Sorry, I'm not gonna save her. No, you can have a lot of fun with that. That would be a fun. Like, that actually would be a pretty fun animated web short. Just like five minute episodes of just the Doctor showing up at various points in history with people crying out for help and saying, no, sorry, I can't. [00:49:37] Speaker A: Stop the Great Depression. [00:49:39] Speaker B: The Doctor did stop the Great Depression. The Doctor was there during the building of the Empire State Building and prevented the Daleks from taking over America during the Great Depression. [00:49:48] Speaker A: Well, I guess I'm just a scrub again. [00:49:53] Speaker B: We know way too much about this stupid show. And what's funny is the choice of mental illness is he could have had us on about a million other topics and we would have been just as knowledgeable. [00:50:04] Speaker C: So Dr. Who's revealed to be real. [00:50:07] Speaker B: They actually kind of did that this last season. [00:50:09] Speaker C: But continue in our special timeline here, though. He's going to live in America. Okay. [00:50:15] Speaker B: He nearly did that in the 80s. [00:50:17] Speaker C: Do Republicans embrace the Doctor because he's basically like the libertarian ideal, or do they ostracize him, her they it for being extremely trans? [00:50:29] Speaker B: It's gonna depend on what he looks like at the time. [00:50:33] Speaker A: Brandon, tell us your secret. [00:50:35] Speaker B: That's gonna depend 100% on what color his skin is and what's between his legs or their legs. [00:50:44] Speaker D: It absolutely will not. Republicans hate the libertarian ideal Doctor. The Doctor will be an absolute enemy no matter what. [00:50:54] Speaker C: Good take. Maybe take, but good take. [00:50:56] Speaker A: We just need a compromise with the Doctor. If the Democrats just come from, they will. [00:51:02] Speaker D: They will definitely hate the Doctor for who they are. The idea of. First of all, even the phrase Doctor will get a negative response in the Republican world. [00:51:16] Speaker A: You're in line. You're right. [00:51:18] Speaker D: Dr. [00:51:19] Speaker C: In education. [00:51:20] Speaker D: Do you think you're better than me? And knowing this character, yes, they do. [00:51:25] Speaker C: There's no doctor who is really more of a Dr. Oz. [00:51:29] Speaker D: No, they wouldn't say that. They. Dr. Oz loves to pretend to be a fake doctor. A Doctor who I think takes their title with more credibility than any conservative would want from a fake doctor. [00:51:46] Speaker A: I just want to say everybody says Doctor who, but nobody Ever says Doctor. [00:51:53] Speaker C: Why anybody ever asks doctor, how you do. [00:51:57] Speaker D: I actually think. I think Russell Davies is absolutely true. [00:52:04] Speaker B: Her entire series is about that. [00:52:08] Speaker D: Yeah, I was gonna say. [00:52:09] Speaker B: Yeah. [00:52:10] Speaker D: He's been asking doctor, how you doing? For the last. Their entire run. [00:52:17] Speaker B: The entire. [00:52:18] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:52:18] Speaker B: The last 20 years of Doctor who has been entirely based around someone coping with severe PTSD from war. [00:52:26] Speaker A: Very cool. [00:52:27] Speaker D: Are you, Are you winning, Doctor? [00:52:30] Speaker B: Yeah. Like, I mean, it's actually kind of true. I mean, it's been as most defined. Their most defining characteristic is, though they kind of dropped it for a little while, but it was kind of. You had the areas, each incarnation kind of playing a different version of the phases of grief, like as. As you went on. But, yeah, no one asked how you doing until last year. [00:52:58] Speaker C: It's, it's, it's tough. It's tough being an immortal Time Lord. [00:53:02] Speaker D: So. [00:53:05] Speaker C: Even though the Republican Party doesn't embrace the Doctor, Doctor and Donald Trump, strike it. Strike a deal at some point for fixed point in time reasons. [00:53:19] Speaker A: It's a canon. [00:53:20] Speaker B: Doctor, actually has referred to. The Doctor has quite cannon referred to Donald Trump as an inevitability. [00:53:29] Speaker A: I did not need that fact in my head because, yeah, the Doctor has. [00:53:33] Speaker B: Referred to Donald Trump as a fixed point. [00:53:36] Speaker C: The Doctor. The Doctor feels old Donnie is inevitable. And for whatever reason, don't worry about why. Let's not debate that part. [00:53:45] Speaker B: His former self. [00:53:46] Speaker C: For whatever reason, the Doctor agrees to let Donald Trump travel back in time. [00:53:51] Speaker B: No. Absolutely. [00:53:53] Speaker C: Is there any. Is there any era Donald Trump could travel to? He would be as successful or more successful than now? Because I kind of feel like in some ways, he's kind of like a uniquely 2025America thing. [00:54:10] Speaker D: I actually think Donald, is he going back with any money? [00:54:14] Speaker C: Yeah. And I mean, he has the knowledge of history, so he can go back and, like, immediately. You know, in the same way that the Doctor could instantly be rich. Time travel. [00:54:24] Speaker D: If we isekai Trump to the 20s, I think he'll be okay. [00:54:29] Speaker A: Yeah. Like, I think Trump would find his way when America was just a colony and not a country, because, like all that crazy nonsense Trump says about tariffs, about basically pushing everybody away, about winning, that was the way we saw economics back then. That is the way the uk, Britain, England treated economics. So, like, he was in tune. And as long as he had the money to succeed in the first place, he'd find his way, find his way. [00:55:10] Speaker B: To leadership of various. The thing about Trump is, like, you look back at the great horrible people in history, right? You have people like, you know, Hitler Muslin or whatever. And their biggest thing is they, I mean, this is a bad thing to say out loud, but it's true. Like, they had Riz, right? Their entire being was based around being, I mean, the most charismatic person and yelling loudest and talking. And yeah, they had the risk. Trump only has the risk on Twitter. [00:55:46] Speaker A: That's a good point. [00:55:47] Speaker B: Without Twitter, without typing in all caps, yelling at Twitter, like, when you listen to him talk, like, yeah, because like. [00:55:58] Speaker A: For several decades, he was the biggest joke, like the printed. [00:56:03] Speaker D: Donald Trump has. Donald Trump has had an edit. Donald Trump has had an editor and ghostwriter for most of his career. There's no reason to think that he wouldn't find someone to find the same role as Mark Burnett or the guy that wrote the Art of the Deal. There's not some 20s version of that guy who sees Trump. Nobody's gonna like the cut of his jib in all of American history until now. I don't know if that's true. [00:56:31] Speaker B: They'll like the cut of his jib, but he won't be able to give like the speeches. Right. But he won't be able to stand up there and like, personally believe, like his inspiring. [00:56:43] Speaker D: He's gotta do. All he's gotta do is stop saying Mexican and start saying Irish. He'll get acquainted with the old timey racism of American history real quick. [00:56:54] Speaker A: And like, when I'm taught, yes, in. [00:56:56] Speaker B: Tweet form, but, but no, I definitely don't think he can do that in like, if you don't have people primed in knowing what he's about by, you know, his tweets and all the incendiary shit he said online in the lead up to his becoming God emperor of the planet. He's like, if you listen to him talk, he doesn't have the same Riz as the great horrible people in history. He doesn't talk with the same amount of force. He doesn't have the cadence, the rhythm, the buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh, buh that the great horrible people have. He has it in all caps, 140 characters. [00:57:36] Speaker C: And if actually, wait, I've got a hot. I've got a hot ass take here. I think you're. I think you're right to some extent, Max. I think that Donald Trump excels at kind of speaking between the lines. Like, I've said this for a long time, that like his real talent, you know, he kind of like trails off sentences in this way that people often mistake for him, like, losing his train of thought, but it's like, no, he wants you to fill in the end of the sentence so he doesn't have to say the terrible thing. And so, you know, I actually think with his kind of, like, way that he's very delicate about dancing around sensitive topics and things like that, while obviously being a piece of shit, acting very, like, highest and like, oh, yes, I'm the greatest gentleman. I think. I think Donald Trump would actually now, and I'm thinking about this more. Would. Would just slay during the East India Trading Company's peak. [00:58:41] Speaker A: Yes, yes. That's what I'm trying to get on the board. [00:58:45] Speaker B: His power is based around the written word. Yeah. If his power is like, if all of he has to. To do is convince people via the written word, he can do it forcefully and get people to listen. But in terms of his oratory, whatever, like, you think about, like, Hitler or Mussolini or whatever, I know that we all. [00:59:04] Speaker C: I know we all hate Donald Trump, but he is. He is. He has a type of forceful charisma that does also work in person. And we have enough proof of this, like, it does. Does it work on everyone? No. Would it work on, like, any one of us in this room? No. It's like a personality type that we're repel. All of us. Right. But like, to the types of sycophants that he's recruiting, the Stephen Millers of the world. The way that Donald Trump acts is appealing. [00:59:33] Speaker B: Absolutely. He's definitely appealing. Kind of what we're getting at is, would he have that appeal if he didn't have social media? Because he was a joke. Right. For a while, like we were talking about, he was written off, he was forgotten. He was a joke. [00:59:52] Speaker A: But also we had, like, tv, we had other stuff that other. That they didn't have centuries ago. [01:00:00] Speaker B: Yeah. So it's like, would. If the only way he could get people to listen to him and follow him, if the only way he could do that is by voice and in person. Right. Whether it be a stadium or just talking to a person, don't think he can do it. Like, he'd be. He'd have some form of fucking. You know, he'd be in control of something and be rich. Probably because he's swarmy and could pull that off. But he doesn't have the standing at a podium and yelling and pop up, you know, like, demanding your attention. He can do that in all caps, in 140 characters. And that's how he got everybody's attention. So that when he went in front of them. They were already sycophants. [01:00:45] Speaker A: So he could be successful, but not. [01:00:47] Speaker B: As successful, not as successful without being able to prime people to be sycophantic with, you know, with what he did on social media for 15 years and, you know, getting people excited. Yeah, I don't know if he could do it. Just like if you dropped him into 1930, you know, if you drop him in and be like, yo, go take over the world. He. I don't think he could pull that off. Like, he'd be, he'd be a swarming businessman and be good and whatever, but he would be a person. Like, he would bankroll a Hitler. He wouldn't be a Hitler, you know, because. [01:01:27] Speaker A: So all I'm thinking about when you say that is FDR did the closest thing a politician could do to Twitter at the time and do the fireside chats. So all I'm imagining are the Trump fireside chats to counter FDR. The anti FDR fireside chat. [01:01:49] Speaker B: They start at 3:00am Andrew. [01:01:52] Speaker D: We actually had that in real life. And it was Father Coughlin and he was, was not so dissimilar. And he was not so dissimilar to Donald Trump in terms of his speaking, which is why I, I think, I think, I think Trump works as a speaker almost any time in American history. Okay, I am Googling and, and you can all just look up, you can all, you can all Google Father Coughlin and just look at the. [01:02:20] Speaker A: Right. Yeah, I have Charles Coughlin up right now. This is. Oh, this is beautiful. I love it when I say bullshit. [01:02:30] Speaker C: No, and now I'm actually, now I'm being swayed to think Donald Trump probably could make it in the era of radio. But let's move on because I've got a really good one that I think everyone will enjoy a lot here. So Dr. Who has been revealed to be real, as we've mentioned. This is of course really good, extremely good for the profile of one man in particular. Ancient aliens guy who is now going to be a credible, a credible high level scientific figure after the reveal of Doctor who. [01:03:07] Speaker A: Damn it. This is how science works. [01:03:10] Speaker C: You're, you're a crackpot until they find something. And if Doctor who was revealed to be real, then all of his bullshit would actually, unfortunately, probably make sense. [01:03:20] Speaker A: Like that's how the whole Trojan horse thing was. They thought it was all bullshit until one historian actually found proof and they were like, okay, so the Trojan horse was real. [01:03:32] Speaker B: City of Troy was real. They thought the city of Troy was A myth. [01:03:38] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Troy was thought to be a myth for a long time. That's right. So, so ancient aliens guy, now a credible figure in the scientific community. What's the highest political office he can now hold since Dr. Who has made him credible? Like, do you think that this guy could go all the way? Do you think we could have ancient aliens man for president? Or do you think he's gonna fall short somewhere maybe going for it or something? [01:04:06] Speaker A: Cabinet or elected position. My default is often going to be the House of Representatives. [01:04:13] Speaker B: Yeah, he could be a crackpot congressperson for sure. So, yeah, Secretary of. For him. Yeah, that's that. [01:04:23] Speaker C: I feel like he could be that now. [01:04:25] Speaker A: Kennedy. Name one bad person Trump put on the cabinet. Name one unqualified person. Name one. Name one unqualified person. In college. [01:04:37] Speaker D: I just love the idea of the ancient aliens guy stepping out of the SUV and you're just hearing vindicated. I am selfish. I love it. [01:04:52] Speaker A: What bills would he propose? [01:04:56] Speaker C: Oh my God. He would propose the most most insane bills ever. [01:05:03] Speaker B: You've ever. Definitely, definitely expanding space Force. But the question in this hypothetical is, okay, so yes, he's been proven that. That aliens definitely exist, but does Doctor who existing in any way prove, like, they built the pyramid? Right? Like, so how much vindication does this dude really get? [01:05:26] Speaker C: I mean, I would argue the entire premise of Doctor who is that this alien guy has been influenced, suddenly influencing all of human. Human history and development the entire time. [01:05:40] Speaker B: Subtly, but not bringing like tech to build pyramids. Right. And he's not going around to various. He's not acting as the. [01:05:52] Speaker A: You're answering my question. This is what the. This is what the aliens guy would do. He would use all of his political energy to get Doctor who to. To tell the truth, even if it didn't happen to tell the truth about the pyramids. That is what he would use all of his political energy. [01:06:09] Speaker B: Very fun. Like, or not fun arc hypothetical, you could walk down of Doctor who being that Doctor whose knowledge being that er, society that all of like pretty much modern racist cultist shit comes from of just trying to return to that pure. Like, he could be that. That Ur civilization just living in his mind of like, oh, no, no, he's the reason that pyramids were built in all of these different situations or all of these isolated cultures because they all interacted with him. And clearly he brought just the concept of triangles and he is the reason various blah, blah, blah, blah that all that area nonsense is built around by Aryan. I mean like the ancient Aryan race Yeah, I guess Doctor who could be. If brought into the modern world and someone's. He could be the. He could be Atlantis. I guess he could be like that ancient civilization that they're all fucking chasing. [01:07:15] Speaker C: Wow. Yeah, this is a lot to process. I just want to say I think we've come up with another great direction for a new Doctor who season, which is a Doctor who season where the Doctor does nothing but ancient alien confirm ancient aliens theories like, like goes back to Egypt and is like. And. And the Doctor in this season needs to be like super crackpot and like, like obviously on hard drugs all the time and, and, and you know, just shows up in Egypt and he's like, all right, let's build a. We're going to build a power station shaped like a big triangle. [01:07:52] Speaker B: Is the one who dropped the Baghdad batteries, right? Like in this situation, in this hypothetical. [01:07:58] Speaker C: No, we were generating power here. Doctor who drops off some space suits in South America. [01:08:05] Speaker B: It's all like cracked mirror. Especially when you get into like the multiversal shit. It's. What. What do we do with a character that knows, sees, and can experience everything simultaneously because of time travel and shit like that? [01:08:20] Speaker A: Are you saying there's a plot hole in Doctor who? [01:08:23] Speaker B: I mean, and that's. I mean, kind of the problem that we run into and kind of. That all of this circles back to is whenever you are dealing with time travel and. Or multiversal shit where we're talking about like canon events, right? You have already written yourself into a corner just by the nature of it. It's impossible to do correctly because. Or it's impossible to do in a way that's not gonna. You somewhere, especially if you're a series that is, I mean, just crossed at 60. [01:08:56] Speaker C: I think the way to solve this would be to Americanize Doctor who. Doctor who needs to come to America, as I've been saying. So I've got a couple of final questions about Doctor who in America and then we can wrap this up, finish up these votes and get out of here. So my final questions about American Doctor who first. What president? Of all the US Presidents that have ever existed, which one would Doctor who pick as a companion? [01:09:30] Speaker D: Bill Clinton. [01:09:31] Speaker A: Bill Clinton travels through time. Final vote. [01:09:37] Speaker B: Clinton would be a good one. He would be. They get into a lot of fun. He did have a lot of fun with Nixon when they hung out. Out. [01:09:46] Speaker C: Roosevelt's no fun? [01:09:49] Speaker B: No, no, no, no. He would have a lot of fun with Roosevelt, actually, because dinosaurs on a spaceship. There's an episode where. Where Dr. One of his best friends is a. A big game hunter from those days. [01:10:05] Speaker D: The more that I. [01:10:06] Speaker A: Go ahead. [01:10:07] Speaker C: Well, go ahead. Straighted more rated. [01:10:11] Speaker D: I think. I think the more we think about it, not to bring us too off topic, but the more that we realize Bill Clinton would have really loved this shit. Everything that we've described, this entire hour is all. We're in the Bill Clinton sweet zone. He would probably be the Doctor's like best friend. If you wanted a male. Male team Bill Clinton and the Doctor is. Because much like, much like Doctor's companions, you know, you. They all have this quality of. They all have to have an enthusiastic love for these antics. And Bill Clinton fits that template of personality to a T. Yeah. [01:10:56] Speaker B: It's got to be young Clinton before he learned even a single lesson. Right. It's got to be. It's got to be called college age. [01:11:04] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, sure, yeah. [01:11:08] Speaker C: Unmarried. Unmarried for sure. [01:11:12] Speaker B: Ducking and his way through the entire galaxy. It would be fantastic. I would watch that show. 100 watch that show. You give 26 year old bill Clinton a time machine. I would just time machine and you know, and just a production crew just follow that. [01:11:29] Speaker A: I think there would be one episode of American Doctor who where he would have that. [01:11:35] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:11:35] Speaker C: My final, my final question to round out our evening here. Thank you so much for, for, for voting along with us here tonight, everyone. This will be our last question of the night. What is American Doctor who's tardis? You know, this police box thing is very quintessentially Bing Bong 1959 stuff. [01:12:07] Speaker B: It's a 1950s diner. [01:12:10] Speaker C: It's an entire 1950s diner. [01:12:14] Speaker B: Which is. Which it's just canonically a thing that TARDIS has been. And it, it is 100 a 1950s diner because it blends in kind of everywhere. You can, like, not well, but like if you're walking down the street in modern day and there's like a 1950s diner on the corner, you're like, all right. And you just keep walking. You might go in for a quick cup, but mostly you just keep walking. Oh, that's. What do they call it? Distortion field. No. Is it a distortion field? Yeah, it's forgettable. Same way, I guess it's bigger than a police box. It is harder to ignore. Maybe it's like a r. Like, maybe it's, you know, kind of like, you know, like one of the cars you see driving around Havana. Right. Just like a. Just an old classic. Yeah. Or just a up Trans Am. Just a really sweet up Trans Am. [01:13:20] Speaker C: I was gonna say It's. I was gonna say it's a non running. It's a non running 80s Chevy Nova on cinder blocks. [01:13:28] Speaker D: A sweet Trans Am is a. Is a good choice. I had briefly considered the Oscar Mayer Wienermobile just for sheer iconicness. [01:13:42] Speaker B: I mean, seriously. [01:13:47] Speaker D: But I also think that in terms of the thing that the Doctor would actually use in America. An ice cream truck. [01:13:54] Speaker B: Yeah, ice cream truck's good. [01:13:57] Speaker D: It fits. It's extremely. [01:13:59] Speaker A: Yeah, it would be. Okay. You know what? I still want the doctor who died. [01:14:04] Speaker D: You've got the Doctor and Bill Clinton in an ice cream truck in the late 70s. [01:14:08] Speaker C: These. [01:14:09] Speaker A: What kind of ice cream do they sell? What kind of ice cream is. What kind of ice cream is boiled. [01:14:15] Speaker C: They sell the kind of ice cream they sell. The kind of ice cream you should only eat one bar of at a time. [01:14:23] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. [01:14:23] Speaker D: There. There might be this. This. This ice cream is legal in the future. Don't worry. [01:14:29] Speaker B: Ice cream. They're selling them. They're. They're selling the idea of fun to whoever the kids babysitter is. They'll all be entered. [01:14:38] Speaker A: Next time on Dragon. And this is where you end the show. The next episode of One Piece. [01:14:46] Speaker D: Doctor who is one of those franchises that, of course, we could probably come back to it once a month and do exactly this much level of shit talking. [01:14:56] Speaker B: We could talk about it all day, every day. This and the current incarnation of the Monsterverse. Oh my God. We could just talk about it all day. [01:15:09] Speaker A: Wait a second. Dr. Who are we talking about? Editor. Feel free to add what sound effects you want to that. [01:15:18] Speaker D: Are you sure? The Editor grinding their teeth. I'd love to see Mox when and if you come back. Oh, let's just talk about who'd get elected President of Hollow Earth or some various Godzilla Kong team up. That should be a blessing. [01:15:37] Speaker B: Oh, my God. The Monsterverse is so bad. Shit. It's so good. I want to talk about it. Give me a platform. Oh, my God. [01:15:47] Speaker A: You know, talk to us in the future. We are not against getting guests together. [01:15:52] Speaker C: We're totally fine to have a guest come back and. Yeah. [01:15:56] Speaker B: So all we've wanted in life is to be a friend of the pod. [01:16:01] Speaker C: Well, you already are. [01:16:03] Speaker B: From a young age. From a young age. [01:16:06] Speaker C: It's a good goal to have. [01:16:07] Speaker B: What do you want to be when you grow up? [01:16:10] Speaker C: This has been a blast. Mox, thank you so much for giving us some of your time. This has been a really interesting episode. Learning about Doctor who way that Doctor who intersects with our culture. Thank you, everyone who listens along at home for voting along with us Mox really fast. Once again, drop the links and reminder of where to find you for the people who did listen all the way to the end. [01:16:36] Speaker B: Well, thank you for listening everyone. We are moxiest art on blue sky and you can hit our gallery and our shop and everything at Art by by Mox shop. [01:16:49] Speaker C: Oh yeah. And as always, you can, you can vote for us on all your favorite podcast services. Vote 5 stars every time. All the time. Vote as often as you can. [01:17:03] Speaker A: Cheat. Cheat. [01:17:05] Speaker D: Bye bye. [01:17:11] Speaker A: Thanks for listening.