[00:00:03] Speaker A: I just want to say, I think sometimes voting can seem scary because you're committing yourself to a long term decision that can have lasting, often negative, usually negative consequences.
And, you know, it can be tough to take action and then live with consequences in this kind of way.
But that is the message of BoJack Horseman, is that you must, you must. Actually, what is the. I think maybe the, the message is a little muddy about whether or not from your problems is a good idea or not.
[00:00:39] Speaker B: I think the message of the show is as long as you're American, the choice is up to you.
[00:00:44] Speaker A: Yeah, I think, I think the moral of the story here is you can always vote and then leave the country. And that is the, that is the message of BoJack Horseman.
[00:00:53] Speaker C: You gotta leave.
[00:00:53] Speaker A: You gotta leave.
[00:00:55] Speaker C: You gotta leave.
[00:00:56] Speaker B: That's.
[00:00:58] Speaker C: You gotta leave, gotta leave.
[00:00:59] Speaker A: You just gotta leave.
That's the message we're bringing you here today. It's, you know what time it is? It is time to mother vote. It is the most important election of your lives.
Once again.
[00:01:44] Speaker D: Is that the part where we all do guitar riffs?
[00:01:46] Speaker C: Oh, you got voters at home. Please vote, please. Kennedy will die of screaming if you don't vote. Like, they literally will run out of oxygen. You have to vote.
[00:01:58] Speaker A: The amount of oxygen they let into my little chamber is based on how many votes you vote.
[00:02:05] Speaker B: I think we're all supposed to mentally play a little air guitar in real time right around that time.
[00:02:11] Speaker C: What kind of election laws does New Mexico have?
[00:02:14] Speaker A: Eric not inserting a guitar behind me, yelling at the start of every episode? Because if not, I mean, our editor. Really?
We got a wonderful, exciting episode for you today. We have. Hang on, I'm checking my notes. I don't think this can be right.
We have Hollywood actress Alexis Simpson here. Is that the Simpsons?
[00:02:32] Speaker C: You got the Simpsons?
[00:02:33] Speaker A: Yes, from the Simpsons.
[00:02:39] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:02:40] Speaker D: I'm the lesser known Simpson, Alexis. They keep me in the basement behind the washer and dryer next to lion from Garfield. That's right.
Well, for, for, to clarify for your listeners, that is a bit. But I, I am known for my iconic role as female director in the Britney Murphy Story, the Lifetime original movie starring Amanda.
I don't remember her last name.
[00:03:13] Speaker A: Hey, hey, you can, you can downplay your accomplishments all you want, but I think, you know, it's a cut above a lot of the people that agree come on this show.
[00:03:25] Speaker B: I wouldn't agree. You know, there are people who come on this show that have one opinion that is so strong.
That is so weird. That is so amazing. That they'll probably have, like, a jubilee video made after them in a few months.
[00:03:38] Speaker A: That's true. Yeah. Yeah. You know what?
We've just got to. We're holding out all of the. Our guests are their lottery tickets on future jubilee videos.
That is how we view this show.
[00:03:53] Speaker D: Well, I have a weird, wide brimmed hat and, like, a mustache that looks like I tie women to the train tracks.
So I feel like I belong on a jubilee video as one of the 20, not as. Not as the one.
[00:04:08] Speaker C: Okay, well, hear me out. I took a look at what you've been and what you will be in jubilee video on what's the deal with Birds?
You are already an expert on that. Oh, you will be when it gets released later this year.
[00:04:23] Speaker D: That's right.
That's right. Birds are real.
[00:04:27] Speaker A: Thank you so much for coming on the show. And, you know, I like to give people a chance to shout out stuff that they're doing at the start of the show because some people are inconsiderate and don't listen all the way through the end of podcasts. I don't know what that's about.
I've searched my heart on it. Talked to God.
[00:04:43] Speaker D: I don't know, did God have an answer or, like, just did not. Did not hear your cry.
[00:04:49] Speaker A: Answered me yet in this life, that's a bit.
[00:04:55] Speaker D: Well, I can do some shout outs. I spend a lot of my time keeping my two children alive, but when I'm not doing that, I'm a member of the Story Pirates, which does a. We take kids stories and turn them into an awesome podcast. I write for that podcast. If you. If you've got kids or you're a kid at heart, check us
[email protected] and then I also do improv with Comedy Sports Los Angeles. We have shows.
I don't know. I don't check the schedule, but you can. And then, you know, call up your local Hollywood producer and tell them to put me in their union projects. And those are my things that are happening.
[00:05:40] Speaker A: Hell, yeah. Also, Alexis Simpson, an incredible poster. Oh, I mean the world to me.
[00:05:47] Speaker D: Thank you.
[00:05:48] Speaker A: If you're not following, you're missing out. So, yeah, you wanted today to discuss, as Brandon has already, you know, kind of soft introduced for us. You wanted to discuss BoJack Horseman, a animated Netflix series about a man who is a horse and also a piece of shit.
[00:06:08] Speaker C: So sounds like a happy, fun time.
[00:06:13] Speaker B: Well, it kind of is. There's a lot of puns.
[00:06:15] Speaker C: I hate puns. I hate them so much.
[00:06:18] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:06:18] Speaker A: Actually, BoJack ought to be up your alley, Andrew, And I know it is. You've been watching it. But, Alexis, what drew you to BoJack Horseman as a topic that you wanted to discuss?
[00:06:29] Speaker D: Well, it's cartoon. I love cartoons. Always have, always will. Just something about the animated format.
I gravitate towards that. And so when BoJack came on the scene, I was like, that's a show I want to watch.
And it has. It just has this ability to switch between, like, silly, goofy, absurd, like slapstick or puns or whatever goofy, silly comedy that you can think of that then just swings suddenly until the most, like, devastating emotional wallop that you could imagine. And there's so much truth in. In a lot of what the characters are revealing about themselves, about each other, and about humanity. And you're like, how the fuck did that. How'd that just happen?
We. You know, we were just. We were just watching a cartoon dog, like, do a catchphrase, and now we're all lying on the ground, like, what?
So it is a beloved show of mine. I think it has a lot to teach us about ourselves in the world. And also, the Simpsons was already taken.
[00:07:40] Speaker B: The Simpsons was already taken. And we just done the Simpsons, ironically enough. But I love BoJack. It's just a great. Unfortunately, a show of our time.
[00:07:51] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:07:52] Speaker C: It makes. It makes me happy watching it, because good stuff happens in it. It's not very good stuff.
[00:07:59] Speaker A: And voters at home, I don't usually specify this because, first of all, I think you should know by the nature of the show. And second of all, a lot of the stuff that we cover is not, like, so spoilable, but we are gonna spoil the crap out of BoJack Horseman.
[00:08:15] Speaker B: Spoilers for BoJack Horseman.
Watch it. If you haven't watched BoJack Horseman, just go watch it and then come back here.
[00:08:23] Speaker D: Pause this recording. Watch it.
[00:08:26] Speaker B: Yeah. Enjoy.
[00:08:28] Speaker C: Pry.
[00:08:29] Speaker A: Make sure to never come back to this recording. Forget that you used to listen to this podcast.
[00:08:36] Speaker B: Rethink your relationships with your friends, family, and all the people you love.
[00:08:40] Speaker A: Definitely your relationship with media.
You'll definitely be rethinking that. In fact, you'll probably stop consuming. That'll probably be the last piece of media you consume. And then you'll move into the forest.
[00:08:51] Speaker D: But what a way to go out.
[00:08:52] Speaker C: You'll have a different relationship with your horse that. Obviously.
[00:08:57] Speaker B: I think this has been enough of a banter barricade. Like, we've crossed a sort of a no man's land for banter that now, if you're Going any further, you're just in for it in our life.
[00:09:09] Speaker A: You're in for it now. So he's a guy that does a lot of bad things, and as we've already kind of been mentioning, like, everybody in his life kind of tries to make him a better person or even at least just shield him from his actions a little bit, and he just refuses.
[00:09:27] Speaker D: We should probably establish, just if anyone is unfamiliar with the show, that BoJack Horseman is a washed up sitcom star.
And so he is wealthy and famous, but not at the height of his fame. And I think it's useful to remember that going, that going in like this is. This is a horse that has privilege. He has horse privilege, you know, like, he's able to shield himself from consequences through his wealth and fame.
[00:09:59] Speaker B: And even if, I mean, and he has passion projects, he tries to get things off the ground. There's a Secretariat movie that he's into, but, like, for the most part, his, his consequences, like, he's going to be a little recognizable no matter what. It's hard for him to get completely, completely canceled.
You know, Carolyn can always find him some kind of job somewhere, even if he doesn't want to do it or thinks it's beneath him or something.
[00:10:31] Speaker D: Well, I was led to believe that canceling was the worst thing that could happen, and it was irreversible, and that that's why we shouldn't cancel, especially white men, our most precious resource.
[00:10:46] Speaker B: Precious natural resource.
[00:10:48] Speaker C: I'm a natural resource. Don't cancel me.
[00:10:52] Speaker D: You're on thin ice. All right.
[00:10:55] Speaker B: Actually, it's the exact opposite. Once you get canceled enough, you go through, like, a black hole and you come out as, like, condense matter on the other, on the other side, like, under this administration, you could get, like, a wildlife grant as an endangered species.
As a white guy, like, we, we're. We're really in the mirror universe now.
[00:11:15] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah. It's a good reason to start a GoFundMe on the weird. Which. What. Whatever the racist Christian GoFundMe site is. I don't remember the name. And you know what? Don't tell me. I don't want to advertise.
[00:11:27] Speaker B: I remember. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember the name.
[00:11:30] Speaker C: This is what. This is news to me. And please don't tell more. I'm going to. I'm going to just.
I don't know. A public apology for white men everywhere. I'm sorry.
[00:11:41] Speaker A: We're talking about it after the show.
Well, Brandon, what I like that you had pointed out when we were working on the notes for this episode is that BoJack as a character, he's, like, just famous enough that he can't really fail, but he's not so famous that cancellation really even matters to him.
[00:12:01] Speaker B: Right.
Which.
[00:12:02] Speaker A: Right, because, like, you always think about, like, cancellation as we think about, like, it as, like, a cultural phenomenon. It really only brings down big people, like, mid sized people. Nothing ever even happens to them.
[00:12:15] Speaker B: It can bring you down if you're, like, huge, like Harvey Weinstein, or if you're an actual niche poster that's in an actual small community that. That's small enough that being, quote, unquote, canceled would matter. But there's this huge. There's this huge layer of celebrity or notoriety or fame where it doesn't matter. In the same way, BoJack, of course he, you know, he cares about it in terms of his ego. Like, he wants to be liked and popular. Of course.
[00:12:47] Speaker D: Right. But. But you're right that he is, like, since he is not at the height of his fame, the loss of fame isn't a consequence. It's, you know, like, he's already kind of fallen from. From the.
From the height, and so that's not a threat. But he. He wants to be liked in that, like, in that way. Like, you know, everybody wants to be liked, but he definitely has that, like, black hole inside him that can't be filled that he's constantly trying to fill with external stimuli, like praise and alcohol and all that stuff, which, you know, makes for a compelling, A compelling character.
[00:13:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I love it. It's just also very funny. Like, I know that season. Season one isn't considered, like, the best season, but, like, it's just very funny. There's a lot of fish puns, and as the show goes on, like, the artistic side of the. The fish puns actually get, like, more detailed and in depth. There's an entire episode that's silent, that has BoJack going through, like, an animated factory, and it's like watching a 30 minute long rube Goldberg machine. And the show, if you've watched it, and you better have watched it if you're watching. This isn't just about the one thing of just BoJack's arc. It's a little bit about the community that he's in as well. And it's also.
I mean, Andrew, wouldn't you say it's a show that's kind of.
It's funny? Like, it's funny in a juvenile kind of way.
[00:14:22] Speaker C: Yeah, it's very funny. Like, I was very surprised because I knew the first few episodes weren't as well received, and I was watching it, if I was like, if these are the worst episodes and this is gonna be a fucking treat.
Like, I liked the first few episodes. They were a little rough. And it does get better. Like, yeah, same.
[00:14:45] Speaker D: I mean, I liked it from the get go. And, you know, I've had people tell me with certain shows, they'll be like, don't. You know, you got to give it a chance.
You know, you got to get through the first season or whatever. And I'm. I'm always of the mind. Like, I don't know, man. Life is short. I'm not going to sit through a bunch of tv. I don't enjoy to get to the good part.
So, like, it's fine if a show doesn't grab you. For me, this show did grab me right away, and I understand people who didn't. And what I'd say is, if you're willing to give it a chance, it's like episode five or six of the first season. I feel like the show really takes a turn into what it's going to become.
And it's like the one where he goes to visit his old writing partner who has cancer, and it's like, we're on a new.
We're in a. We're in a new world when we get to that episode.
And the show is still silly and funny. It's just giving you this, like, oh, by the way, we're doing some real shit here, too.
Back to the fish buns.
[00:15:48] Speaker C: Don't mind me, BoJack. I'm just dying of cancer and suffering because you backstabbed me. Remember those good times? Yeah.
[00:15:57] Speaker D: It'S just a fun romp, you know? Just a fun romp. Backstabber in cancer, you know?
[00:16:01] Speaker A: Well, we're also here to talk about another fun romp.
[00:16:04] Speaker C: What are we talking about?
[00:16:05] Speaker A: Kennedy and another. Another fella who couldn't stop getting himself into unnecessary seeming trouble.
[00:16:14] Speaker C: Wacky.
[00:16:16] Speaker A: A fella surrounded by sycophants and weirdos who enabled goofy ass behavior over and over again.
I'm of course referring to Richard Nixon in the Watergate scandal.
[00:16:31] Speaker D: Are you talking about the star of laughing?
Richard Nixon? Famous, famous comedian Richard Nixon.
That one.
[00:16:42] Speaker C: He was often on that show called Watergate. That comedy show.
[00:16:48] Speaker D: Oh, right.
[00:16:48] Speaker B: Yes, we were. We were so. We were totally gonna get there later.
[00:16:54] Speaker D: What, laughing?
[00:16:56] Speaker B: Yeah, of course. You know, we did the show notes. You were like, we're gonna remind people that laughing happened.
[00:17:01] Speaker D: Oh, yeah, we'll cut this out. Cut this part out.
[00:17:04] Speaker B: Well, no, no, no.
[00:17:05] Speaker A: That's why I can't stop laughing is because I'm like, how did she.
[00:17:08] Speaker B: Well, it's kind of funny, honestly. It's. What if you were to really think about it and you were to talk about, okay, Watergate. All right, Name five other things about Nixon. Laughing is probably one of them. If we were all playing Family Feud together.
[00:17:22] Speaker D: Yeah, like that. The fact that.
Well, now I can't get it out of my head. Like the. The Simpsons version of him, like, sweating during the debate. But, you know, the. The TV debate. That's three. And then also, I have a fun story that you guys couldn't possibly know, which is that my husband grew up a few, like, within walking distance from the Richard Nixon library in Yorba Linda, California.
Yeah. When Nixon died, he went out and sold hot chocolate to all the goofs standing in line who were trying to like, oh, I'm gonna pay my respects to America's top shithead at the time. And he made, like, 200 bucks.
So thank you, Richard Nixon.
[00:18:09] Speaker C: Richard Nixon is my favorite president because I made 200 bucks from his death.
[00:18:16] Speaker A: To be fair, given the standards of presidents, that's a good enough reason for that to be your favorite, right?
[00:18:22] Speaker D: Yeah. At least, like, in eighth grade or whenever.
[00:18:27] Speaker C: Oh, eighth grade, yeah.
[00:18:29] Speaker D: Yeah, that's totally.
[00:18:31] Speaker C: Oh, and that was a long time ago. Money was worth more.
[00:18:34] Speaker A: Like, this is kind of like how we always say, you know, you should always vote for any politician that will talk to you on a regular basis. If there. If there's some politician in your community that will actually, like, speak with you, then you should just vote for them, regardless of what they say.
[00:18:49] Speaker D: Seems reasonable.
[00:18:50] Speaker B: You know, that was my. That was my take, and it was very popular, like, before the 2020 election.
Suddenly, five years later, people are like, boy, you know, the guy, the politician that I know and talk to, I actually want to get him with a stick.
[00:19:09] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a little bit of an old school take now, I guess.
[00:19:12] Speaker C: I want a politician who doesn't listen. Hot take.
[00:19:15] Speaker A: Complicated times. So Watergate is a funny scandal because it was such a big deal in his. In its time. But first of all, to this day, nobody can exactly tell you what it is.
We still don't know what the purpose of the break in was exactly.
Like, there's, like, there's still a lot of unanswered questions about the whole thing, you know, so, like, nobody can even really tell you exactly what happened. You'll get a different story from anybody you ask. And also, by the standards of Today's scandals is so weird and mild.
[00:19:56] Speaker D: Have you gone around asking people what they think Watergate is and getting, like, different, funny answers?
[00:20:01] Speaker B: We totally could do that.
[00:20:03] Speaker C: We should have done that. We should have done that.
You should be just the host of the episode.
[00:20:11] Speaker A: Oh, but I. I can tell you. I can tell you just from casual conversations I've had. Like, I've had people tell me it was a shady real estate deal. Okay.
[00:20:22] Speaker D: I guess they're thinking of white water. They're thinking of white water. I know, right?
[00:20:29] Speaker A: I've had people tell me that, you know, it was involved with the brave fighters of the Mujahideen.
[00:20:36] Speaker D: Okay.
I don't know what that one. That one's coming from.
[00:20:43] Speaker A: I've had people tell. I've. You know what? I think you could say anything about water.
[00:20:47] Speaker C: Listen, I'll tell you that.
[00:20:48] Speaker A: We could all. We could all just say some.
[00:20:50] Speaker C: I'll tell you what happened. They took Nixon's embarrassing anime collection and they had to take it back before they could blackmail him with it.
[00:20:59] Speaker D: What. What constitutes embarrassing anime? Is embarrassing anime like, oh, I like fruits basket? Or is it like, at that point.
[00:21:06] Speaker C: In time, all anime would be embarrassing?
[00:21:08] Speaker D: Oh, that's fair. Yeah.
[00:21:10] Speaker B: You've gotta remember. You've gotta remember that you're talking to a fan of Sonic the Hedgehog. So the bar for embarrassment is completely different. And also, you know, it's a little bit.
[00:21:24] Speaker C: I heard the original Sonic ugly good in the sub. Okay.
Before four Kids touched it. Okay.
[00:21:33] Speaker D: I don't know what any of that means, and I'm terrified to ask you.
[00:21:37] Speaker C: Don't. Don't ever learn what 4kids is. It will traumatize you.
[00:21:42] Speaker D: Noted. I'll never look up goatsy. I will never ask what.
[00:21:45] Speaker A: Poor kids is not as bad as goatsy, but it is a deeper rabbit.
[00:21:49] Speaker B: I think that water.
I think that Watergate, and this is perfectly encapsulate. This discussion is better understood. It's better understood as the father of all gates. It really is. It kind of had a waterfall effect that almost any scandal in almost any community is now called a gate of some kind.
Almost like this is the original scandal that all the other scandals are based off of, which is.
[00:22:16] Speaker C: I just want to say one of my disappointments with people is all these scandals are gates. Not once have I heard people refer to Matt's gates scandals as gates Gate. Like, come the frick on.
[00:22:30] Speaker B: I probably did that. We should all start a PR company called Close the Gate.
[00:22:40] Speaker D: I'm personally bummed that we didn't glom on to like the teapot dome as the father of all scandals. To like, you know what I mean? So then instead of like gate gates, we'd have like domes.
[00:22:53] Speaker B: I think, I think it's because we use the phrase.
We use the phrase tempest in a teapot. Not often, but we do use it to denote a scandal that's not very big.
So now we just didn't want to. Americans aren't going to get into tea under any circumstances. You can see why we skipped over this one. And just. If we can't have coffee, we'll take water. We're not going with tea.
[00:23:17] Speaker C: But legitimately, part of the reason why. I'll be serious for a second. I can do serious. Part of the reason why Watergate took off was because it was televised like the other scandals. You just read about it in the newspaper. But Watergate, all these trusted authority figures, you saw them, you could see them on TV lie. And at that time that was big. And what they lie nowadays, it's common. We're used to it.
[00:23:45] Speaker A: Right.
[00:23:47] Speaker B: Andrew, you are a statistician and you do history. Give your once in a while you give your fancy job title and we go woo. It's like you're in episode Sega.
[00:23:57] Speaker C: I don't think I've ever done the Sega gag on the episode though.
[00:24:01] Speaker B: Okay, well that's even. Right. Well, yeah. What was your thing?
[00:24:05] Speaker C: Oh, I went to grad school for industrial organizational psychology with an emphasis on the organizational and a dual sequence with quantitative psychology.
[00:24:18] Speaker D: That's so many things.
[00:24:20] Speaker B: Organizational psychology, Sega.
[00:24:25] Speaker A: Listen, all y' all sum it up. Okay, I did. Okay. Okay.
Andrew gives therapy to buildings.
[00:24:34] Speaker C: Very well.
I get therapy. Alexis, are you a building or are you a human?
[00:24:41] Speaker D: I am a dancer.
[00:24:43] Speaker C: I am not legally able to give you therapy.
[00:24:47] Speaker D: I'm sorry, do the buildings fall down? If you don't. If like, if you don't do it, will they fall? Will they crumble?
[00:24:53] Speaker B: I got it. At least crumble.
[00:24:56] Speaker C: The ones made out of lead. The lead just goes into children's tongues.
Like, oh, I do a lot of therapy to her. Lead painting buildings.
[00:25:06] Speaker D: The kids love lead. Let me tell you what they Kids love lead. It's funny.
[00:25:11] Speaker C: Kids yearn for the mind.
[00:25:12] Speaker D: Yeah, the kids yearn for the mind. They yearn for the lead.
[00:25:16] Speaker A: Well, that's why they yearn for the minds. Right? It's good. You know, they're trying to get that lead poison.
[00:25:21] Speaker B: Our PR company is going to have an in house client.
Kids love LLC impact.
[00:25:31] Speaker A: I think you could probably.
[00:25:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:34] Speaker A: In this current political climate you could probably start the Kids Love led, llc, everything.
[00:25:40] Speaker C: Get me off this ride. Get me off this ride.
[00:25:44] Speaker A: So, yeah, BoJack Horseman, a guy who can't stop fucking up his life for seemingly no reason. Richard Nixon, a president who couldn't stop up his own presidency for no reason. It seemed like.
[00:25:57] Speaker B: It's funny. Kids Love lead. Sounds like both a Nixon thing and a BoJack thing.
[00:26:02] Speaker D: Oh, no, it really does.
[00:26:08] Speaker C: Timeline.
[00:26:10] Speaker D: I could see BoJack Horseman definitely being the spokes horse for Kids Love led.
Yes. And then realizing what it is and just being like, eh, check cleared. And I could see Nixon being behind Kids Love LED and using it as a way to funnel payments to a Contras, you know, I feel like BoJack and Nixon would have worked together, certainly been photographed together, you know?
[00:26:39] Speaker A: Yeah. We felt like they could have been buddies to some extent or kindred spirits in a way. Which leads us into the voting part.
[00:26:47] Speaker C: All right.
[00:26:47] Speaker A: Of our lovely podcast here.
We've got some.
Some interesting questions for the panel here for everyone to go over and consider.
Starting with. Could Attorney General John Mitchell. Well, former Attorney General John Mitchell, have handled BoJack's worst scandal, which is, of course, causing the death of fellow former child star?
[00:27:14] Speaker B: I don't know.
[00:27:15] Speaker A: I mean, he okay at handling Nixon's problems.
[00:27:18] Speaker D: Is there.
Or do we just. Is it like a popcorn style? We just jam it.
[00:27:25] Speaker C: Unless it's specified. There was one. That Metal Gear Solid episode. I always answered first and humiliated myself. Kennedy, I will never forgive you for that episode. You may go, Alexis.
[00:27:36] Speaker D: I love kicking off voting with a grudge, personally. And so the airing of resentments really gets. Gets. Sets the tone for me. I think former Attorney General John Mitchell absolutely would have handled the death scandal, BoJack scandal just fine. I think he would have managed to send BoJack off to, like, an island for a little bit until things died down, and people would have forgotten her, because that's how people's dumb brains work when it comes to Hollywood stars. They just move on to the next thing.
[00:28:10] Speaker B: All said, I think it probably depends. It probably depends a little on the time period.
I don't know if, you know, if the Sarah Lynn scandal had happened during the Nixon administration and it had been on TV to such a degree, you know, they had a totally different relationship with television at that time.
Imagine, like, a real child star from that time period.
It'd be hard to get rid of it. You know, that's true.
[00:28:38] Speaker D: There were, like, three channels, and so.
[00:28:41] Speaker B: You know, there were, like, two child stars back then.
[00:28:49] Speaker D: It was a scarce child Stars were a scarce resource. Even more scarce than our greatest natural resource, white men scares.
[00:28:57] Speaker C: Please protect me. I, I, I, I'm so privileged. I don't know what to do with it.
[00:29:03] Speaker D: Just play the Sega sound.
That'll get you out of any jam.
[00:29:07] Speaker C: No, me and Kennedy have agreed that my life was better in the timeline where my dad bought me the Super Nintendo instead of the Sega.
[00:29:16] Speaker B: Editor.
[00:29:17] Speaker A: Yeah, we Editor.
[00:29:18] Speaker B: If you can find some Bush era congressmen, Republican congressmen singing patriotic songs, Land of America, you know, all that stuff fits in perfectly there.
[00:29:34] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:29:39] Speaker A: Yeah, voters at home. For those of you who aren't aware of this important canon lore, I'm, I'm convinced that the timeline diverged when Andrew's dad bought him a Sega instead of a Super Nintendo. And that if we, if, if we he'd got the Super Nintendo as a kid, we'd be living in utopia right now. So you know, if you already didn't hate our friend Andrew's terrible puns, now you have a new reason to revile our statistician in that timeline.
[00:30:13] Speaker C: I wouldn't like Sonic the Hedgehog, but so who's to say which timeline is better?
[00:30:21] Speaker A: Could, would Richard Nixon get away with formerly kill with accidentally killing a former child star?
[00:30:29] Speaker D: He's too jowly. I think you have to be more handsome to get away with child star manslaughter.
[00:30:39] Speaker B: Here's the thing. Richard Nixon, if nothing else, he really had a real Mamba mentality. He knows number one, everybody, everybody's gonna count him out of getting off on this because of his jowls.
His whole life people have told him that he can't do stuff because he's dumpy and ugly looking and he's naturally suspicious.
And it was really what motivated him to be like the last Republican governor of California. You know, I think that if we all were to sit around him and start bullying him about how he can't get away with it, I guess we just go back to Watergate.
[00:31:17] Speaker A: I'm just losing it because.
Just losing it because losing it. Losing a jollyness competition to a horse is crazy.
[00:31:27] Speaker D: I just want to highlight Nixon's Mamba mentality.
I think that's beautiful and I think it's true. It's a rumor. I'm going to start right now that Nixon spent a lot of time on the basketball courts sinking three pointer after three pointer and saying Kobe Mamba mentality.
[00:31:46] Speaker C: You know what? You know what? That's canon. It's canon.
[00:31:49] Speaker D: It's canon.
[00:31:50] Speaker C: It's canon.
[00:31:55] Speaker A: He it makes so much sense Developing.
[00:31:59] Speaker B: A mid range game. Yeah.
[00:32:02] Speaker A: If. If Sarah Lynn was alive and well during the Watergate scandal, at what point during the scandal would she finally say, that's too much, man?
[00:32:14] Speaker D: What drugs is she on?
[00:32:16] Speaker A: Well, it's the early 70s.
[00:32:22] Speaker D: I think she has no limit. Then if she's on Quaaludes, I think she's just like, sounds good to me.
[00:32:28] Speaker C: Oh, talking Quaaludes, huh, Kennedy? You have some opinions on them, don't you?
[00:32:35] Speaker A: Listen, don't get me started.
We need to bring back the Quaalude. But yeah, okay, that's actually a pretty compelling argument.
[00:32:43] Speaker D: Yeah, if she's on Quaaludes, if she has access to Quaaludes, there's no off ramp. But if she's working clean and sober, I think maybe she bails when he gets on the helicopter. And I'm not saying that just because that's the only Watergate moment I'm familiar with. Okay. And I'm definitely not lying. I. But yeah, I feel like when. When he flies away and is like, I'm out, I think she's like, well, if he's. If he's out, I can't abide this. You know, that's the exit ramp.
[00:33:14] Speaker C: Kennedy. They brought Quaaludes back in the timeline when my dad bought the Super Nintendo.
[00:33:20] Speaker A: God damn it.
[00:33:21] Speaker D: So sorry. Kennedy. Kennedy. Have any.
Is your opinion of Nixon at all colored by being named Kennedy? And like, do you feel like you have any, you know, what affiliation? Or like you have to choose Team Kennedy?
[00:33:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:33:41] Speaker A: Yeah, I do feel like, you know, I think I would burst into flames if I went into the Richard Nixon Library. I think so. I've always avoided that. Just didn't seem like a good plan.
[00:33:56] Speaker D: I hear sometimes 8th graders sell great hot chocolate, but you don't have to go inside for that.
[00:34:02] Speaker A: You know, I used to be kind of on Team Kennedy, but for some reason in the last year or so, I.
[00:34:09] Speaker D: Not.
[00:34:09] Speaker C: So meanwhile, Andes are winning. Andy Bashir. Take that, Kennedy. You have too many of you in politics. Too many you.
[00:34:19] Speaker D: I think it's true, like, people are familiar with acab with a C, but I think akab, All Kennedys are bastards is just as true.
[00:34:28] Speaker C: Tough but fair.
[00:34:30] Speaker A: It is.
[00:34:30] Speaker D: Yeah. I'm sorry. You know, though, actually, I'm sorry, that includes you. I.
[00:34:36] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:34:36] Speaker A: You know, because luckily for me, I'm kind of at that level of like, fame where nobody really cares about me enough. So kind of like, you know, like, in that way, I'm. I. I myself relate a little to Mr. Horseman BoJack Horseman.
[00:34:53] Speaker D: He's just like us for real. Living in the Hollywood Hills. Is a horse.
Uncancelable.
[00:34:59] Speaker C: I remember when I did that.
[00:35:01] Speaker A: Less jolly than Richard Nixon. I got that going.
[00:35:05] Speaker D: Depressed.
[00:35:07] Speaker A: In season two of BoJack Horseman, they finish a movie with an AI generated version of him because he's the fuck up. And ironically, the AI generated version of BoJack Horseman is. Performs better than any of his, like, performances in many years, and it's a whole thing. So, you know, with that in mind, I'm curious, would it. An AI generated Richard Nixon have handled Watergate better than the real one did?
[00:35:43] Speaker B: Maybe.
[00:35:44] Speaker D: Well, what do you think? What are your arguments for and what are your arguments against?
[00:35:49] Speaker C: Oh, I definitely think four.
[00:35:52] Speaker B: Yeah, I wanted to put you on the spot here, but, you know, the thing with the AI is that you would think it would be more rational than Nixon, who just had so many complexes, and he definitely made things worse for himself all the time along the way. But also, wouldn't an AI Nixon just be Nixon?
So we're getting into some deep questions of free will versus predestination here.
[00:36:18] Speaker C: Oh, no. I mean, less sweaty. The computer generated one would be less sweaty.
[00:36:24] Speaker A: We're gonna kind of assume that much like the BoJack AI, there's at least a chance that the Nixon AI is more competent. But we need to weigh that against.
[00:36:33] Speaker B: Let'S say, Nixon GPT is what you're saying.
[00:36:35] Speaker A: It's a. It's a complex set of factors.
[00:36:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
Yeah. I think if you given a Nixon GPT a goal and the. The. Yeah, like an average person might have gotten out of Watergate better than Nixon if they were just in their shoes at that time.
You know what I mean? Like, probably a lot of people would say, boy, I should just tell the truth and get it over with. There's details about this Watergate case that we still don't know today.
This guy resides. Rather than tell the whole truth, we.
[00:37:10] Speaker A: Should just put One of the AIs, probably Grok, I guess.
[00:37:19] Speaker C: Grock. You testified earlier that Richard Nixon did this. Grock. Is that true?
[00:37:25] Speaker B: It's great. We're gonna see some AI generated. I mean, you know, I don't know if those. Those AI bots are gonna win in court. Hopefully we can. We can win these cases.
[00:37:36] Speaker C: You know, I liked robot stuff and computer generated stuff when it was more like, beep, boop, I am a robot. When you get. Got to do that voice and not the. We have now. Beep boop.
[00:37:49] Speaker D: Yeah, I like it when robots identify Themselves as robots when they, when they're a little clunky, when they're, you know, they do stuff for you.
[00:38:00] Speaker C: Yeah, the robot 5000 or the 2000.
[00:38:04] Speaker D: Yeah. But you know that you could give it a good kick and it would land on its back like a cockroach and could do nothing about it. That is the kind of robot I like in my life. I feel like a Nixon GPT would like if it's modeled, if it's, if it works the same way the other GPTs do. It's desperately trying to please.
Right. Like it's programmed to, to confidently tell you what it thinks you want to hear.
And so I do think that would handle a scandal better than the real Nixon because, you know, if it's spat out enough stuff that, that, that it thought the people wanted to hear, the people might just be like, okay, that's reasonable. And then some of them would go insane and think they've become God. And while not better for humanity, maybe better for Nixon.
[00:38:54] Speaker C: Well, I just booted up Nixon GPT and he admitted that he was a crook and he was very sorry about it and he'll make it up to the American people.
[00:39:03] Speaker D: Does Grok have anything to say to Nixon GPT? I feel like they would hang out.
[00:39:09] Speaker C: Is it Grog normally.
[00:39:12] Speaker A: Something about white version.
[00:39:15] Speaker B: I definitely. But realistically, I do think Grok is definitely war gamed this scenario. I bet Grox got a big comprehensive playbook for how to get out of. Of this thing.
For sure.
[00:39:31] Speaker D: Maybe we're living through a time when maybe we just don't know it yet. But the current administration is desperately trying to ask Grok how to get out of their scandals.
[00:39:42] Speaker B: Actually, if you think about whether reality is a simulation, and if you were to think that reality was a simulation based on an AI attempting to solve how to get out of the Watergate scandal, you would understand all of American history from then until now.
[00:40:01] Speaker C: There's a Cheeto in the White House, everybody.
[00:40:05] Speaker A: You know, here's the thing is like when people say reality is a simulation, usually they start imagining like the Matrix, you know. But reality is a simulation in the sense that the people running our country are asking Chat GPT what to do.
[00:40:22] Speaker D: Oh my God.
[00:40:23] Speaker C: Like this. I, I know you're. You're right. When they unveiled that plan.
[00:40:29] Speaker B: Yeah, the tariff plan, just lots of the plans now in the real government RFK his and they look it up, they backstage and they're like, wait, did you literally. This isn't a theoretical thing. You're at the quote unquote highest levels of the government. And you're really just using chat GPT. Yeah. Mind blowing, right?
[00:40:49] Speaker D: Because we have somehow put the dumbest, laziest people in history into the highest level of government, and we are going.
[00:40:59] Speaker B: To need some new institutions when this is over. Let me tell you, it is like.
[00:41:04] Speaker D: A simulation, but not like the Matrix. It's like the simulation where they're playing the Sims and they've put us all in the pool and taken all the ladders out.
Yeah. There's a baby on fire in the corner. You know, that's.
That's America. There's a.
[00:41:22] Speaker A: There's a guy. There's a guy that's been running around complaining about needing to use the bathroom.
[00:41:27] Speaker C: For over a year.
Oh, no.
[00:41:32] Speaker A: Which I. I want to hear from all of you, and then I'll give my answer, but I'm gonna give it last so I don't bias the panel.
Which would you rather be implicated in, a BoJack Horseman tape or a Nixon tape?
[00:41:44] Speaker D: BoJack Horseman. I'm going to. Okay, so if I'm in a BoJack Horseman tape, that means that there's a better chance that my career is actually going somewhere and that also, it's just a more colorful, fun world to be a part of. Also, less jowly.
[00:42:06] Speaker C: Yeah, I was gonna say I'd rather a BoJack Horseman one, because I'm. Either way, I might as well go on the more fun adventure.
[00:42:12] Speaker D: Yeah. Down.
[00:42:14] Speaker B: It's so. It's so funny that we are having these conversations. I actually picked against the BoJack scandal. I took the Watergate scandal, but I said, I'm either way. I might as well take the money.
[00:42:31] Speaker C: Oh, me. Me, a stupid fool. I'd rather have fun. The brilliant branded money.
[00:42:39] Speaker B: Yeah, like, if I'm gonna take it, I might as well take it on the chin and go be Oliver North. Sure, I won't be allowed in polite company, but I've lived half of my life in polite company. You know, it's got its value, but, you know, it's fine. Just move on. You'll survive.
[00:42:54] Speaker D: Another fun political fact from Alexis Oliver North.
His daughters were big horse riders, and they. I would run into them, and therefore him, at various pony club events around Virginia back in 90s. And my parents be like, wow, that's Oliver North. And I was like, who? But I later learned that was Oliver North.
[00:43:19] Speaker A: Whoa, wait, you're totally proven. This is incredible that you have proof of the point, though, like your parents.
[00:43:25] Speaker B: Being like, oh, that's Oliver North.
To be clear, I have much more personal hatred for a. For. For an Oliver north than a BoJack.
So, really thinking about it from the perspective of. I mean, which would you rather be known as? I think you'd rather be known as BoJack. That guy only killed one person.
[00:43:48] Speaker C: Whoa, that's. That beats my record.
[00:43:51] Speaker B: The Republican Party is an organized faction that's working to exterminate all of humanity.
Yeah, one is way worse. On the moral timescale, I think we.
[00:44:03] Speaker D: Found a new trolley problem. Like broke trolley problem woke bojacker Nixon.
[00:44:12] Speaker B: To be fair, all political organizations are organized to destroy all of humankind.
[00:44:19] Speaker D: It's true.
[00:44:20] Speaker C: Kennedy, do you have something? Happy to say.
[00:44:22] Speaker B: I just didn't want Republicans to feel so sad about getting singled out.
Statistically, we do have a Republican audience, and we slam them all the time, and they write and they say, oh, well, you know, you've seen the small dog memes. So.
[00:44:39] Speaker D: Yeah, I mean, what I'd say to you Republicans is that Democrats are just Republicans who are okay with gay people.
So, like, if you're still calling yourself a Republican in 2025 that you're a Nazi, and if you don't like that, then, like, just vote for Democrats. And if you don't like Democrats, vote progressive. Anyway. That's. That's my hot take.
[00:45:05] Speaker C: No clue, no matter who. Only if you live in New York City and only for 2025.
[00:45:10] Speaker D: Yeah, exactly.
[00:45:13] Speaker A: I actually, I've been. I was kind of originally gonna be in the camp with Brandon of, like, yeah, put me in a Nixon tape, but now I've come around like The. The. The BoJack tape. I think especially, you know, we've been contextualizing this in the context of how getting canceled doesn't really matter right now. So probably, like, if. If we were all implicated in BoJack tapes and this shows growth, this shows would probably just grow by. To, like, a hundred thousand listeners tomorrow.
[00:45:45] Speaker B: You know what? This conversation has convinced me, you know, it's better to just be implicated in a horrible, horrible interpersonal crime than to be aiding in the. The distinction of all mankind. Here, you can just shake one of them off. You can kind of shake both of them off. But, you know, and the Watergate thing is a little bit easier to shake off than you think. I mean, y' all saw Oliver north just. He just walks around, you know, kind.
[00:46:16] Speaker D: Of crazy at youth horse riding events, no less.
[00:46:20] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, he just is allowed in society. They go walk around and ask for. They walk around to vendors and ask for sandwiches and throw temper tantrums. On Tick Tock when they get told no, you know.
[00:46:35] Speaker D: Pierogies. Is this pierogi gate we're referencing?
[00:46:38] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I didn't. I didn't want to start getting the voters hungry while they're in the line for the booth.
[00:46:45] Speaker C: Is it legal to give them food?
[00:46:48] Speaker D: You know, Adam, pierogi is a standard.
[00:46:50] Speaker B: Pierogies will be served after the vote.
[00:46:54] Speaker A: If you're in line for pierogies, stay in line.
[00:46:58] Speaker C: I like this pierogies economic views, even if their social views are a little problematic.
[00:47:07] Speaker A: No, I just want to say for the record, on the subject of date things, I. I love that Ocean Gate preemptively named themselves.
[00:47:15] Speaker C: That was so nice of them.
[00:47:16] Speaker D: Yeah, that was prophecy.
I didn't think billionaires were good for much, but occasionally they produce a profit.
[00:47:24] Speaker B: Whoa.
[00:47:25] Speaker A: So who would you rather be stuck to at a party for three hours, Mr. Peanut Butter or G. Gordon Liddy?
[00:47:36] Speaker D: Am I allowed to play G. Gordon Liddy's head like a bongo?
[00:47:38] Speaker A: Yeah, at most, twice.
[00:47:41] Speaker D: This is tough.
I think I'm gonna stick with Mr. Peanut Butter because Mr. Peanut Butter is a good time.
He's relentlessly positive, which can annoy me. But Mr. Peanut Butter, as long as I don't have to, like, know him on a deeper level, I don't think his toxic positivity is going to affect me. And I feel like G. Gordon Liddy, his name's fun to say, and I want to play his head like a bongo, but I don't know what else to do with him in a social situation. So if we're maxing out at 2, I don't. I don't. I think I'm gonna pick Mr. Peanut Butter. What say you all?
[00:48:23] Speaker B: It's a real crisis.
It's a real crisis. I really haven't been able to make a decision this entire time. First of all, I know. I know a human being who's a mayor of a city that. South of me, south of my countenance of my county of Fulton. A mayor of a city.
Yeah. I know a mayor of a city of south Fulton who has a personality exactly like Mr. Peanut Butter.
And actually, you know what?
I bet that. Yeah, I've hung out with that guy for three hours.
There's got to be some sort of food or some kind of things to talk about. Like, if you imagine the elevator is just his psyche and your psyche, you're gonna have to really, like, imagine having a dog with you for that long.
Like, it's, like, probably better than G. Gordon Liddy. You can. You can pull it off. G. Gordon Liddy for three hours. What are you gonna talk about with that guy?
[00:49:24] Speaker A: I actually want to give. I actually want to give a counter argument here, which is that G. Gordon Liddy was clearly down to clown. Okay. This guy got into all kinds.
[00:49:37] Speaker B: He is a very interesting. You're right. He's a very interesting part. That's true. He's a very interesting guy. And he'll talk to you.
[00:49:45] Speaker D: So if you hang with G. Gordon Liddy. If you hang with G. Gordon Liddy at the function, you and G. Are gonna come up with some. Some scheme. Like, you guys are gonna come up.
[00:49:57] Speaker A: We're gonna do a scheme.
[00:49:59] Speaker D: All right. Okay.
[00:50:02] Speaker C: In his later.
[00:50:03] Speaker A: Also, also, also, I think.
I think a lot of people might be missing out on this fact. But after, you know, he was kind of disgraced from regular politics. He was a radio show host for like 20 years.
[00:50:19] Speaker D: He. Was he DJing or was he talking or. A little of both.
[00:50:23] Speaker B: It was like a Rush Limbaugh prototype, if I recall.
[00:50:26] Speaker D: Okay.
[00:50:28] Speaker C: According to his Wikipedia page, in his later life, Liddy was an opponent of animal experimentation. So we want to talk about schemes that we could work up together. Free the animals.
So, yeah, I'm totally going with Liddy.
[00:50:41] Speaker A: An early.
An early Rush Limbaugh, but, like, more. More centrist than both sides. Like, that's.
[00:50:49] Speaker D: Both sides, Both sides. Both sides, Both sides. Is this the part where we start the both sides? Chance?
[00:50:55] Speaker A: He really was like an early debate bro.
He did a debate theories with Timothy Leary, which again, I mean, he did it a bit. He's probably interesting to talk to you. I'm just saying.
[00:51:06] Speaker D: Yeah. Mr. Peanut Butter is not going to say anything of substance or tell you anything. Like, he's not going to tell you anything that you didn't already know.
[00:51:14] Speaker B: He's gonna give me.
[00:51:16] Speaker D: Let me really.
[00:51:16] Speaker A: In fact, I'm gonna drop. I'm gonna drop the ultimate argument here on you, which is G. Gordon Liddy, if you hang out with him for three solid hours at a party, is probably going to leak a state secret to you.
[00:51:28] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:51:28] Speaker C: We can post it on the War.
[00:51:30] Speaker B: Thunder forums, I think, But I think Mr. Peanut Butter has plenty of Hollywood hot gossip.
You'll get your share of goss from a talking dog.
[00:51:41] Speaker A: That's true.
[00:51:42] Speaker D: And I think if. It's also. If Mr. Peanut Butter has spent any time around any political figures, he's also going to have some state secrets that he's not going to understand or state secrets. So he will absolutely reveal those to you.
Casually, you know.
[00:52:00] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. Did you know the president was replaced with a robot? That was so cool, don't you think? Having a robot for a president.
[00:52:07] Speaker D: Exactly.
[00:52:09] Speaker C: Okay, yeah, I'm going with Mr. Peanut Butter.
[00:52:11] Speaker B: Made a champion argument for Liddy Kennedy.
[00:52:14] Speaker D: Really swayed me towards Team Liddy. And it is pretty fun to say G Gordon Liddy. I feel like I might swing. I might need to change my vote to G. Gordon Liddy. As long as I get to address him as G. Gordon Liddy every time and say his name in full like Princess Caroline.
[00:52:33] Speaker A: I wanna. I wanna address him as Just Sup.
That's. That's where I'm going with it.
[00:52:37] Speaker D: Do we know, or does Wikipedia tell us what the G stands for? And is it something George.
[00:52:44] Speaker C: George Gordon Battle Liddy.
[00:52:47] Speaker D: How come he doesn't go by Gorgeous George Gordon Liddy?
That was.
[00:52:52] Speaker A: Honestly, why didn't he go by Battle? He has Battle.
[00:52:56] Speaker C: Like, come on.
[00:52:58] Speaker D: All right, I'm swinging back to Mr. Peanut Butter. He had Battle on the table. I don't know. That's. That's. That's telling me something about you. If you have Battle in your name and you don't lead with that, I don't know.
I don't know if the party is where I want to be. By your side.
[00:53:14] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:53:14] Speaker A: This guy, he should have been going by G. Battle.
[00:53:17] Speaker C: That's just, like, gunked him. Gee, but Battle, this guy had the.
[00:53:23] Speaker D: One of the best MC names of all time, and it was wasted.
[00:53:27] Speaker C: It was wasted.
[00:53:28] Speaker A: He could have been the Machine. He could have been the Machine Gun Kelly of his time.
[00:53:33] Speaker C: Oh, I'd support Battle in their name.
[00:53:36] Speaker D: That's the greatest scandal. G. Gordon Liddy is canceled. Yeah, it's official.
[00:53:41] Speaker A: All right. We're canceling G. Gordon Liddy.
He's also dead, which is kind of the ultimate form of cancellation.
[00:53:48] Speaker D: It really is. It really is.
[00:53:49] Speaker C: He died in 2021. Please. Was it Covid related?
[00:53:54] Speaker A: It was 90, so I think.
[00:53:56] Speaker C: Yeah, it doesn't look covered related.
[00:53:58] Speaker A: All right, Frost v. Horseman and BoJack hold up to the scrutiny.
[00:54:05] Speaker D: I don't understand the question, but I will respond to it.
Further explanation.
What. What is this? What is this? Frost versus Nixon?
[00:54:18] Speaker B: Yeah, this is Frost versus Nixon, and I'll get ahead of this bullet and just say, I don't think BoJack. I don't think BoJack Horseman can last 10 minutes with any serious journalist. I think if he gets 10 or 15 minutes with a reporter that really wants to crack him, they'll probably do it.
I. I don't know, he can be charming, but I just think. Yeah, a reporter that knows all the details about this guy. Actually, I don't know. He did have a. Yeah. But, yeah, that is where I. That is where I land. There's nuance to this discussion, of course.
[00:54:55] Speaker A: So just the. The context here is that, you know, after Richard Nixon resigned, he didn't really do a lot of interviews, and then he agreed to do an interview series with this journalist, David Frost, who kind of gave it to Nixon's ass.
And these interviews were infamous because of just the tension between these two men that existed where, you know, you have this journalist just really, really asking a lot of hard, pointed, no nonsense questions about what happened, and Nixon kind of trying to figure out how to dodge all of her.
[00:55:39] Speaker C: I gotta give. I gotta give this guy's full name, too. Sir.
[00:55:42] Speaker D: Is it bad?
[00:55:44] Speaker C: Sir David Paradigm. Frost.
[00:55:46] Speaker D: Paradigm.
[00:55:48] Speaker C: Paradigm. Sir David Paradigm.
[00:55:50] Speaker A: Paradigm. Wow. Yeah. P A R A D A I D I.
[00:55:54] Speaker D: Damn. They really were the greatest generation, these names.
[00:55:57] Speaker C: Yeah. This is a fantasy hero.
[00:55:59] Speaker D: Yeah.
[00:56:01] Speaker C: In fact, he named his most powerful spell after him. Paradigm.
[00:56:08] Speaker D: And he used it on Nixon in the interview to. To ice him.
[00:56:12] Speaker C: Damn.
[00:56:14] Speaker A: I.
[00:56:15] Speaker D: Okay with this new context. I agree. I think. I agree with Brandon that I feel like I've seen a lot of scenes where BoJack, BoJack tries to wiggle his way out of something using humor, and it doesn't. The person he's trying to wiggle away from is not having it, and BoJack's attempts to get out of things usually end up worse for him. It all kind of ends like. Kind of what we were saying earlier. Like, it doesn't seem to have actual meaningful consequences in terms of, like, causing him to. To change his behavior. I mean, maybe in. Maybe in later seasons, there are some consequences that. That he actually feels, but still, you know, I don't. I don't think that he would last with a. With a paradigm frost. I think. I think he melts or not melts. Cold doesn't melt. He freezes. He freezes.
[00:57:09] Speaker C: No, it's a special type of ice. You're right. It's a special.
[00:57:12] Speaker D: Oh, that's right. It's a paradigm. So it's the type of ice that melts you.
[00:57:17] Speaker C: Yes.
[00:57:20] Speaker D: Thank you.
This is a stage whisper, so the listeners don't know that I'm thanking you for covering up for me.
[00:57:28] Speaker C: Paradise.
[00:57:31] Speaker A: Let's turn the tables again. Could. Could Nixon survive as a TV dad?
[00:57:36] Speaker D: Oh, my God. You. I mean, I want to see that.
I.
I desperately want to.
[00:57:43] Speaker A: What is it? Canceled after One season.
[00:57:45] Speaker D: I mean, I tend to like things that other people don't. So probably if Hollywood, if Hollywood wants big numbers and Nielsen ratings. Like, like when.
Explain. Like, I like, people will send me comedy reels on Instagram and I'll be like, okay, because it's like, oh, a couple pranks each other, whatever, that's not funny.
And then I'm like, have you guys seen the latest Connor o'? Malley? And I get blank stares. And then I don't talk to those people anymore. But yeah, I, I feel like a.
[00:58:21] Speaker A: Lot of people aren't ready for pipe rock.
[00:58:23] Speaker D: Exactly.
I feel like a sitcom, like a 90s sitcom starring Richard Nixon as the dad would be one of the greatest artistic achievements of humanity. But I don't know. I have a, I have a up brain, so.
[00:58:41] Speaker C: Well, come on, think about it. Like the guy negotiated with China in a possible deal with ping pong. Like there's all sorts of potential ways he can creatively saved the day.
[00:58:55] Speaker D: Right? And I would love the idea of him trying to negotiate like he's alongside the leader of the ccp, but instead it's like a six year old and an eight year old and he wants them to eat broccoli.
[00:59:05] Speaker C: Tell you what, I'll buy you a very nice expensive spoon and it and we'll pretend it's an airplane. Do you agree to this deal?
[00:59:16] Speaker A: A scene where he gets profiled for shoplifting and goes, I'm not.
Yeah, okay, well, let's, let's all, let's try to come to some kind of consensus. How many seasons does this show get? Clearly it has a limited lifespan.
[00:59:32] Speaker B: I think, I think that this is actually the exact similar situation to earlier. I was talking about, you know, telling Nixon that he couldn't get away with child murder and then him just doing it through determination.
I actually think that, okay, be a TV dad. And we were all to start bullying him and saying, you can't do it because of your jowls. I think he becomes a great TV dad, protagonist for three seasons, and that's how long the Santa Clarita diet got. So I think that's pretty good.
[01:00:03] Speaker A: I was only going to give him two seasons.
[01:00:05] Speaker C: I want to say it's good for three seasons, but then they continue on to a fourth and maybe even a fifth one and it drops off in quality.
[01:00:14] Speaker A: I don't think it gets a fifth. I think the fourth one is terrible. And then it ends on a cliffhanger and.
[01:00:19] Speaker C: Oh, off.
You're right. You're right.
[01:00:23] Speaker B: Actually, you're right too. Because I thought about, you know, three seasons and Nixon retiring with dignity. But of course, if they'd offered him a fourth season chance at a fifth syndication.
Yeah, He. He. Of course, this is his legacy. He drags it out too long.
So there you go. Yeah, for sure.
[01:00:43] Speaker D: Now, if it's a typical network. If we're talking network comedy, I totally agree with you, Brandon. If this is happening in the streaming era, it gets canceled at 3 so that Netflix doesn't have to renegotiate the contracts and pay everybody a higher salary.
[01:00:58] Speaker B: Yeah, that said perfectly. Either he goes on or Netflix says no mas for him.
[01:01:04] Speaker D: Right. Because, you know, we're not.
We'll just rerun these episodes at no cost to us. And we're definitely not, you know, we're definitely not paying you a higher wage to come back for season four.
[01:01:14] Speaker B: He tries to do a Save Nixon petition campaign online, and it's a miserable failure.
[01:01:26] Speaker A: Oh. Oh, yeah. In that scenario, actually, he does still get the. The fourth season, but it's produced by.
[01:01:33] Speaker B: Like, Daily Wire Movie.
[01:01:36] Speaker D: Dean K.
[01:01:38] Speaker B: Yeah. To be. Or Daily Wire or. Yeah, one of those.
[01:01:41] Speaker D: Yeah. Frager you.
Yeah.
[01:01:44] Speaker B: Nap. Some kind of app.
[01:01:46] Speaker D: Yeah. He does have a successful fundraising on the racist Christian fundraising site that I will not look up, but depressed.
[01:01:58] Speaker C: Thank you.
[01:01:59] Speaker D: I.
He will also. I think. I think Nixon would have a jubilee episode.
[01:02:06] Speaker A: Nixon's jubilee episode would be amazing.
[01:02:08] Speaker D: I would watch that. I would actually watch that one.
[01:02:11] Speaker C: Richard Nixon. I would watch that versus 20 of the vocal minority.
[01:02:19] Speaker B: Guys, I'm not gonna promote the racist Christian fundraising site, but I will say that if you type the racist Christian fundraising site into Google, it'll just come right up. So, you know, platforming has limited power.
[01:02:40] Speaker C: I'm glad Google's still useful.
[01:02:43] Speaker A: How would. How would BoJack do? Trying to thaw relations with China?
[01:02:48] Speaker C: Oh, we're going in a war.
[01:02:50] Speaker D: Yeah.
Yeah. He's gonna end up taking some nice photos and then.
And then he disappears for three days with, like, who's the. Who's the president of China? I'm so embarrassed. I can't pull the name out. Like, Xi Jinping. He's disappearing with that guy's daughter.
[01:03:07] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Like, we're going at full out. This is World War Three.
[01:03:12] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:03:13] Speaker B: Yeah. I think he averts World War Three somehow, but not before nearly causing it.
[01:03:21] Speaker D: Yeah, like, he and the daughter wake up in Thailand covered in something, you know, and it's. It's. It's bad. It's bad.
[01:03:31] Speaker A: Yeah. Probably, like, a couple thousand Americans die before.
[01:03:35] Speaker D: Yeah, they have to. They have to reanimate Nixon.
Program with, Program him with the latest five Nixon GPT. They gotta boot up Dixon GPT and send him over there and be like, sorry, I. I was asleep for a little bit, but I'm back.
Anybody want to play?
[01:03:59] Speaker C: Yeah.
And then the war is over.
[01:04:03] Speaker D: Once again, ping pong saves lives in the show.
[01:04:07] Speaker A: BoJack Horseman, they break into the Nixon library.
[01:04:11] Speaker D: That's right, they do.
[01:04:13] Speaker A: And I've been saving a couple of these points towards the end here, but I want to start off with, you know, BoJack Horseman and crew do a so so job with their break in. Would Richard Nixon himself do a better job of breaking into his own library?
[01:04:30] Speaker D: I think Nixon. I'm going to go ahead and say that because Watergate was a break in and Nixon was a reasonably intelligent person.
I think Nixon would have learned from his mistakes with Watergate and not learn from his mistakes in terms of, like, not doing another break in. I think he would learn how to do a better break in and he would. He would do a better job of breaking into the library.
[01:04:58] Speaker A: I mean, we never caught Nixon doing a break in again, which either means he never did one again.
[01:05:04] Speaker B: Right.
Really makes you think, Richard Nixon, the comeback kid. Yeah, I think he just gets better at it. He's had two chances.
He's had two chances to do this. Also.
He knows what he's looking for, unlike the Watergate burglars. You know, I assume he'll have.
Is he breaking in to just win the challenge or to leave or to do something? I just assume he'll have a better sense of direction with what to do here.
[01:05:39] Speaker A: I assume this is something to do with, like, his personal legacy and like, you know, making some alteration.
[01:05:46] Speaker D: Yeah, I think he's looking for his best jowls certificate.
[01:05:53] Speaker C: They make certificates for that?
[01:05:55] Speaker D: Yeah, they do. And he has one and it's in the library and he want, he wants it back.
But I do, I think that's a good point. I think it would be a worthwhile endeavor for whoever out there isn't. Feels like they're an Internet sleuth to, to look into some of the greatest unsolved crimes following the Nixon regime.
[01:06:14] Speaker B: Alexis, Alexis, are you interested in being the Democratic Party's candidate for president?
Because I really think we really need somebody to look into this Nixon stuff and get to the bottom of it.
[01:06:26] Speaker C: And, you know, Release the Nixon files.
[01:06:31] Speaker D: I am a bully. Release the Nixon files.
I like to get a chant going.
I am a bully. I think that I would make a wonderful candidate for president.
So I accept. I accept the nomination.
[01:06:46] Speaker B: We. We should all stay. Yeah, We're a toxic podcast. We'll be like your pod Save America.
I don't know what the pod does, but we'll workshop it.
[01:06:57] Speaker D: Cool. I. I cannot go on Hot Ones. Just so you guys know. I like. I can't handle hot sauce.
[01:07:03] Speaker C: Come on.
[01:07:06] Speaker D: We had.
[01:07:06] Speaker A: You have to go on Hot One.
[01:07:09] Speaker C: That's important. That's the sole reason why.
Why Harris lost the election. Kamala Harris lost the election.
[01:07:16] Speaker D: All right, all right, I'll go. I might die. So just make.
[01:07:20] Speaker B: Wait a second. We're gonna call this show Pot Save the Seasoning.
[01:07:28] Speaker D: Just know if I go on Hot Ones, and I make sure you have finished the coding for Alexis GPT to.
[01:07:35] Speaker B: Replace me, we're gonna do the opposite of Hot Ones. We're gonna start with, like, a dab of, like, Louisiana sauce, and then we're gonna get progressively less spicy to water.
This water had a lemon in it or something like that.
[01:07:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
We're starting a show called Old Ones, and it's not about beers. It's just about sucking on ice cubes.
[01:08:01] Speaker D: And like that right below water, we do mayonnaise.
[01:08:05] Speaker B: Yeah, you've got it.
[01:08:06] Speaker C: Room temperature.
[01:08:07] Speaker D: Go on that. I'll go on Cold Ones. Pod Save the seasoning. Old Ones, all the pig podcasts.
[01:08:13] Speaker C: I have an announcement to me. I. Our secret is. Is we've been the room temperature ones the whole time.
[01:08:20] Speaker D: Oh, my God.
[01:08:23] Speaker B: Oh, my God.
[01:08:24] Speaker D: Wow.
[01:08:26] Speaker C: You guys, We've talked in the previous episode about how watching the show makes you want to have a snack. That's because we're the room temperature ones.
[01:08:35] Speaker B: The room temperature.
[01:08:37] Speaker D: I feel like they just split another timeline. Like, right. Like Andrew's dad got him the wrong console way back when. And really things up. Sorry, Andrew's dad. But it's true. But I think this now is another divergence point, and I don't know, I feel us moving in the right direction. I should say the correct direction.
The correct. I don't say right.
[01:09:00] Speaker C: You don't. You don't want to go in the right direction. We do not. Oh, yeah.
[01:09:04] Speaker A: We've gotten too far in the right direction.
[01:09:07] Speaker D: I can't get anywhere because I refuse. I'm only making left turns over here. As a political stance, it's good politics, but it's sucky for directions, remember?
[01:09:16] Speaker C: Yeah, not left or right, but forward into that building. I don't care if there's a building. You gotta go forward.
[01:09:24] Speaker D: Thank you, Kang and Or Kodos.
[01:09:28] Speaker A: Okay, so in the. In the Episode where they break into the Nixon library, it's revealed that Richard Nixon has a illegitimate son. In the BoJack Horseman universe, how far could. If Richard Nixon's illegitimate son was real, how far could he get in politics as a Nepo baby?
[01:09:53] Speaker C: So he. I. I think he could definitely get somewhere because he does a really good spot on impression of his father.
[01:10:02] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:10:02] Speaker D: I think the answer is depressingly far.
[01:10:05] Speaker B: I'm not like depressing.
Would, Wouldn't. Would Richard Nixon Jr be a MAGA. Would Rickson Nixon Jr be like the Jeb Bush money left? And they were like, we need another son.
Yeah. The new ranking son of the dynasty.
You know, I imagine Richard Nixon Jr. Having like a Tom and Baratheon personality type. So I don't know if he's got the bloodthirstiness that would be needed. The, the pampered, I guess, semi offspring of Nixon. Is he going to be able to get. Get in the dirt enough to win in the political world today?
Will he have the same eye of the tiger that daddy did?
I don't know.
[01:10:49] Speaker D: He is. He is a security guard, so he's familiar with wanting to wield petty power, but he is a soft.
[01:10:59] Speaker B: So he's a security guard at his own dad's museum.
So.
[01:11:04] Speaker D: Right.
[01:11:05] Speaker B: It hasn't going off of the Nepo track. It's not taking him that far.
[01:11:11] Speaker D: True. I mean, he's really up. It's a real Paul Blart situation. I've never seen that movie, but just he feels like situation.
It's a Paul situation.
[01:11:24] Speaker B: Many situations can be described as a Paul Blart situation.
Imagine.
Imagine that your parents have a museum and you work as a security guard there.
[01:11:36] Speaker D: Yeah.
Like, not even as a docent or like a curator. I guess docents usually don't. Are volunteers. But not even as someone who gets to like handle the objects. Like, you just make sure people don't go past the ropes. You know, they won't even let you touch the good stuff. So that shows a level of distrust from his own father, you know, from his own. From the Nixon estate. They're like, we. You can be a security guard.
We won't even let you carry a gun.
[01:12:07] Speaker C: Wow.
[01:12:08] Speaker B: Yeah. Nixon did not think highly of Junior.
[01:12:12] Speaker D: No.
[01:12:13] Speaker B: He was not as tricky of a dick.
[01:12:16] Speaker D: So then again, though, I mean, they let Jeb run and they tried to make Jeb. They tried to make us all get on board with Jeb, and the people refused Jeb, so they might.
I think that.
I think that he's.
I think that Nixon Junior Paul Blart is going to Jeb out.
And I realize hearing myself say that sentence, I'm.
I'm disoriented.
I'm disoriented.
[01:12:49] Speaker A: I'm starting to smell like. Funny. Smells.
[01:12:54] Speaker D: Like Junior Poplar. Jeb.
[01:12:57] Speaker A: I think I'm. I think I'm about to Jeb out.
[01:13:02] Speaker C: Kennedy. Not in polite company.
[01:13:06] Speaker D: I've.
I've always wanted to go up to G. Gordon Liddy at a party and say, hey, man, you want to jab out?
[01:13:15] Speaker B: Also, I think.
[01:13:16] Speaker D: Come on, Battle.
[01:13:18] Speaker B: I think we're underestimating Jeb a little bit, because while he was a little bit of a, you know, not a cool guy, he did run us.
[01:13:27] Speaker D: Not at all.
[01:13:28] Speaker B: He ran a political machine. He really wanted to be president.
Even that shows at least some sort of deals are mocked that Nixon Jr. Did not have here.
[01:13:41] Speaker D: Yeah, fair.
[01:13:43] Speaker A: I. No, I. I was gonna say, like, you know, even if he jebs out, that means that, like, he does make it somewhere, right? Like he's at least like, a state senator or something.
[01:13:53] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, maybe if, you know, if he can pick his own district to go in, like, I bet he would get enough institutional support, you know, today that they would just pick a, like, Wyoming or just some random place, and he would just go there, and it's Republican plus 48, and he just wins there.
[01:14:12] Speaker D: Yeah, he could definitely get a state senate seat, and he could possibly even get a congressional. A federal congressional district with the support of the party, because I don't think that's that hard.
Yeah.
[01:14:27] Speaker B: No, you. You give. You. Being a mid bencher is soul sucking work. So good luck. Good luck to Nixon Jr. There.
[01:14:34] Speaker A: Yeah, true. All right, our. Our final question, panel. Thanks for hanging in for all of our. For all of our ups and downs today.
[01:14:43] Speaker D: Lots of downs, lots of doubts, just like BoJack Horseman. Lots of ups, lots of downs, both in terms of the emotions and the drugs they do.
[01:14:55] Speaker A: I want to know who would make a better steam tag team.
Ojack Horseman and Spiro Agnew or Richard Nixon, with the help of Princess Caroline.
[01:15:09] Speaker D: Oh, my God.
[01:15:10] Speaker A: Would scheme harder.
[01:15:13] Speaker D: I. I gotta go with Nixon. Princess Caroline, because Princess Caroline, I think she's the most vicious schemer of the four. I mean, I think if she's on your team, she's working stuff. She's. She's working miracles, for better or for worse, and teamed up with Nixon. I think there's no length to which they will not go.
[01:15:32] Speaker A: But also, Hero Agnew would. You know, a lot of the characters in BoJack's life. They enable him to some extent, but they also try to, you know, put. Put guardrails on his behavior to some extent. Spiro Ag would just enable his ass.
[01:15:51] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. You know, I think a lot of this just relies on how well Carolyn can get through to Nixon. And you got to remember, Carolyn has other clients besides BoJack, if I recall correctly. It's not like he's the only thing that keeps her stable at all times.
So it just seems like she should be able to hype Nixon up and fast talk him.
I mean, he is a California guy. She would know his deal. You know, I, I.
Unless Nixon just goes off and ignores her, which, of course, he.
Nixon very well just might go off and ignore her. But if I think he'll be maybe more willing to take coaching than BoJack is Nixon being a politician? Yeah, for sure.
[01:16:40] Speaker D: And Nixon, for, as far as I know, did not have an incredibly disabling, crippling addiction to substances.
So, you know, that's going to interfere with anything Spiro Agnew is trying to engage in is just BoJack's constant blackouts that really gets in the way of scheming.
[01:17:01] Speaker A: You've made an incredible. An incredible case. I do think the Richard Nixon Prince, Princess Caroline combo would be pretty out of control. I think if he had had Princess Caroline back then, well, it wouldn't have gone down.
[01:17:16] Speaker D: I think he would have gotten through Watergate, and I think Watergate would have been remembered like, I think Watergate would have been made into a major motion picture starring Richard Nixon as the hero, rather than him resigning in shame. If Princess Caroline was involved.
[01:17:31] Speaker C: Yes. Richard Nixon, the hero of Watergate, who broke in to save it.
That's the reason why they broke into Watergate. They were trying to save it.
[01:17:42] Speaker D: Yes.
To pull a child, an innocent orphan child from the rubble, and she probably would have gotten BoJack a small role as the horse he rode in on, just because she'll help. She'll help that guy out for God knows what reason.
[01:17:58] Speaker B: Are we codependency? My God. Are we underestimating Agnew's ability to manipulate BoJack in some way?
[01:18:07] Speaker A: I do think we might be underestimating him a little bit. But I think even if we made the best possible Agnew argument that this guy was just a total slime bag, a total power player to the max, I think even, no matter how hard we push that argument, strong as it could be, in some respects, we would ultimately come back to Princess Caroline. Enabling Richard Nixon would be crazy.
[01:18:33] Speaker D: I think It's God tier. Although I will ask, I think it's important.
[01:18:37] Speaker A: Important.
[01:18:38] Speaker D: Like, is the, Is this tag team. Are we talking about a tag team that's scheming for like corruption and evil? Are they scheming for like, good? Are they scheming for neutral? Or is this a tag team in like the WWE wrestling scent?
[01:18:56] Speaker B: Yeah, I, I think, you know, go ahead.
[01:18:59] Speaker A: Let's answer both of.
I want everyone's opinions on scheming in the sense of like neutral, selfish, you know, just self serving scheming, basically.
And then also wrestling match. Let's do that as well because that seems interesting.
[01:19:23] Speaker B: In terms of the scheming.
It's, it's, it's kind of a close call in some ways. But, but yeah, I think Carolyn, because, you know, BoJack did stay afloat as an actor and Agnew might be able to manipulate him a while, but I think that they're just going to have different levels of chemistry. I think Carolyn and Nixon will in some weird ways.
I can just see them getting along.
So just for that reason, I see them doing over more in the scheming, but in the wrestling match, I picked the horse every time.
[01:20:03] Speaker C: Oh, yeah, I'm definitely picking a BoJack for the wrestling one. Just picture some of the moves that he'll put on Nixon.
[01:20:09] Speaker A: Also, Spiro AGU looks like he could probably get in the ring and move around a little. He, he was.
[01:20:15] Speaker B: Yeah, he can hold his own a little enough.
But I mean, BoJack is, BoJack is an actor. He got BoJack. He was tall. Yeah, BoJack is an actor. He got in shape for a movie. I mean, that's not nothing.
[01:20:31] Speaker D: I think when it comes to wrestling, I'm picking the horse every time. It's just good advice. I think that's just sound life advice.
[01:20:40] Speaker B: Follow me for more banners.
[01:20:43] Speaker D: Yes.
I think, yeah, I think I gotta go. Like Princess Caroline and Nixon are scheming.
There are scheming winners. But in the ring, I think you gotta go with the horse, especially an alcoholic horse, because that guy is not gon gonna feel pain.
[01:20:59] Speaker A: Although again, Spiro Agnew 6 2. It'll do fine as a tag team.
[01:21:05] Speaker D: Partner is Sparrow Agnew's middle name.
[01:21:07] Speaker C: Battle Theodore. Spiro Theodore.
[01:21:12] Speaker D: Well, we'll just keep Theodore out of it. He'll just Spiro Agnew that. Yeah, if he goes by Theodore, it's, it's Jover. But I think Spiro Agnew and BoJack Horseman, that's a winning tag team.
[01:21:22] Speaker B: He should call himself Ted.
[01:21:26] Speaker D: That'S.
[01:21:31] Speaker B: Actually. Ted Agnew is a pretty. Ted Agnew is a pretty good name.
[01:21:37] Speaker D: Stop that gate.
[01:21:38] Speaker B: Hire us to the Agnew estate. Stop that gate.
[01:21:46] Speaker A: Ted Agnew does. I. I think especially from a modern.
A modern perspective of, you know, like, Spiro Agnew was probably okay back then, but I think if he was running for politics today, he'd have to be Ted Agnew.
[01:22:02] Speaker D: The people wouldn't accept Spiro. They probably would be like, what's this? What is this, a Greek guy? What is this?
[01:22:07] Speaker C: What is this woke name?
What is this Woke ass? Spiro name?
[01:22:16] Speaker A: Like the testosterone block?
[01:22:19] Speaker D: Is this that purple dragon?
[01:22:24] Speaker B: We should listen. We should listen to a Spiro Avenue stump speech in depth before we say, buddy, change your name. But we're thinking about it. Spiro Avenue. You're on notice.
[01:22:36] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not waiting for. I'm not waiting for any proof you're Ted Agnew now.
[01:22:44] Speaker C: To me, it doesn't matter anymore, because Spiro Agnew is either dead or retired.
[01:22:50] Speaker A: He's either dead or retired.
[01:22:53] Speaker D: And isn't death the ultimate retirement?
[01:22:55] Speaker C: Whoa.
[01:22:57] Speaker D: Yeah.
[01:22:59] Speaker A: In fact, actually, you know what? We're gonna add a new you're either dead, Retired, or canceled.
[01:23:08] Speaker D: I would also watch. I would watch a game show called Dead, Canceled or Retired or Dead, Retired or Canceled, but only if the host is Richard Nixon. So I'm slowly pitching a streaming network that's all Richard Nixon shows, I guess, is what I came here to do. I'm sorry, go ahead.
[01:23:30] Speaker B: I think there's a chance that this team really blows up because Spiro agnew might remind BoJack of his father.
Oh.
[01:23:41] Speaker C: Oh, no.
[01:23:42] Speaker B: Yeah, they're both hippie bashing, conservative men of the time. Stern, strong like. And think that BoJack doesn't hang out with those kinds of people as an adult in his real life at all.
[01:23:54] Speaker D: Yeah, so the sparrow might be the father figure whose approval he's craving.
[01:24:02] Speaker B: Maybe.
[01:24:06] Speaker C: I'm a ghost.
[01:24:07] Speaker D: Oh, no. A bunch of ghosts.
[01:24:10] Speaker B: BoJack season six is gonna be amazing.
[01:24:19] Speaker A: We gotta get out of here before these ghosts catch up to us. Alexis Simpson, future Jubilee.
[01:24:27] Speaker D: I can't wait.
[01:24:28] Speaker B: You probably feel like you were on Jubilee already. Just through this hour, you were surrounded by the ghost of five dead politicians, 15 cartoon characters, seven podcasts with eight personalities. Yeah, you made it, though, Alex.
[01:24:43] Speaker C: One Alexa Simpson versus 20 Family Guy fans.
[01:24:47] Speaker D: Oh, my God.
Oh, my God.
Why don't you know that Family Guy is what ruined the Simpsons Oh.
[01:24:58] Speaker B: Oh, wow.
[01:24:59] Speaker D: Hot take. Hot take.
But I believe it.
[01:25:03] Speaker B: We should do the Simpsons again.
[01:25:05] Speaker D: Also.
[01:25:08] Speaker A: Shouts out for being the the future founder of the Nick Flicks Network.
[01:25:14] Speaker C: Will you accept it if I propose a Gerald Ford show?
[01:25:19] Speaker D: I, I, I'm willing to listen to a Gerald Ford show a lot. We can afford it.
[01:25:25] Speaker C: Like the only joke is he's always tripping down.
[01:25:30] Speaker B: Alexis, this was such a great episode. We started so many LLCs today.
[01:25:35] Speaker D: Oh, I love it. You guys. You guys know it's always been my dream to be a small business owner who complains about liberals. This sounds like the type of thing we're halfway there.
[01:25:49] Speaker A: You came on the right, you came on the right pod.
[01:25:52] Speaker C: It sounds like the type of thing they would give you a government grant for you specifically have to complain about about liberals.
[01:25:58] Speaker D: Yes. Yep.
[01:26:00] Speaker A: Thank you so much sincerely for joining us. Remind people again what if they want to, if they want to stay up with your projects in some way the give the quick shout out.
[01:26:11] Speaker D: The easiest thing is to follow me on Blue sky, the non Nazi social network@aew piggy.bsky.com or just a mute piggy you can find me. And that's where I half assedly announce things that are going on in my life and post shit posts.
[01:26:32] Speaker A: And we'll have that in the show notes so you know, go look for it. And voters at home. Thank you so much as always for voting along with us. We are now going to. Well I would say we would exit the voting booth but of course as you know we're hermetically sealed into our voting booths.
[01:26:50] Speaker C: Are you sure there isn't a loophole in my contact track so I can get out of this thing?
[01:26:57] Speaker A: No.
We'll see you next time.
[01:26:59] Speaker C: Bye for the other.
[01:27:00] Speaker B: Bye bye.
