Metal Gear or The Patriot Act?

[00:00:00] Speaker A: The following is from Ghost Coast Studios, the world's first and only podcast network. [00:00:06] Speaker B: Now, wait a minute. [00:00:07] Speaker C: Now wait a minute. [00:00:08] Speaker A: You know, war, war might change. It's unclear. I think. Some people have said it never changes. Some people have said it does change. Those are the same person who said those things. But one thing that doesn't change, that never changes, that stays the same all the time, every day, and will be there for every moment of the rest of your lives, is, of course, voting. You've got to vote this election, which will be, I do truly believe, the. [00:00:44] Speaker C: Most important election of our lifetime. [00:00:46] Speaker B: This is the most important election of our lifetime. [00:00:50] Speaker A: This is the most important election. Don't you you hear that? [00:00:54] Speaker D: This is the most important election in our lifetime. [00:00:58] Speaker A: The most important election of my lifetime. [00:01:01] Speaker D: This is the most important election of our times. Politicians say every time, this is the most important election. [00:01:08] Speaker C: This one's really that important. [00:01:10] Speaker B: Oh, my God. [00:01:10] Speaker C: I vote. [00:01:11] Speaker D: Got all my ballots here, like always. [00:01:14] Speaker B: I got all my ballots. I'm right here. [00:01:16] Speaker D: I just. I'm not wheeling. [00:01:19] Speaker A: Never been more important to vote. Everything that you do in this government is real. You're definitely not being influenced by a shadow cabal. Live your life. It's great. It's perfect. Nothing to worry about. I'm Kennedy Cooper and this is the most important election of our lives. I'm joined, as always, by Brandon Buchanan. [00:01:40] Speaker D: Hi, how's it going? [00:01:42] Speaker A: And Andrew Fields, our in house statistician. [00:01:46] Speaker B: Statistically speaking, everything's on fire. [00:01:50] Speaker A: And joining the panel today is Nate from Hate Speech. What's up? [00:01:56] Speaker C: Pretty good. I'm ready to vote with my genes and memes. Both. Very important to our topic today. Actually, you know what? Now that I think about. I don't like the idea of voting with my jeans. That seems very. There's some problems with that one, actually. [00:02:11] Speaker A: Genetic voting. That's where we're going. [00:02:13] Speaker B: Yeah. It depends if you have recessive or dominant genes in Metal Gear Solid. [00:02:18] Speaker C: Yeah, you know, you gotta watch out. I'm taking both. Both dominant and recessive. I'm the switch here. [00:02:24] Speaker B: I'd say that's not how genetics works, but also Metal Gear does not understand how genetics works, so that's in character. [00:02:31] Speaker A: But there are dominant and recessive votes. That is real. Yep. [00:02:35] Speaker C: That's exactly right. I have. [00:02:39] Speaker D: Yeah. For sure. [00:02:40] Speaker C: Yeah. No, my. My votes are all very recessive. They're in the background. You know, I. I think I shadow vote most of the time. [00:02:48] Speaker A: Not today. You're voting. [00:02:51] Speaker D: This isn't a private ballot today. You've Got to really be loud and proud with your. With your. Your. Your. Your voice in democracy. And we're. It's got to be a habit that we all follow more and more. Exercising our choice. That's a little bit what this series is about. It's about the power of either one person or a small, selected group of people. Just increasingly large groups of people making decisions that affect everyone else. [00:03:22] Speaker C: Well, I'm excited to join the 12 People of the Wise Men's Committee. That's right. Yeah. The Patriots. Yeah. Well, so the Wise Men's Committee is like the, like, core group of the shadow cabal known as the Patriots, and the Patriots is the larger organization. [00:03:38] Speaker D: Sorry, Butzilla, Our time's up. [00:03:40] Speaker C: Okay, great. [00:03:47] Speaker A: I did. I did, while trying to understand Metal Gear lore, have some, like, ego breaks from myself and things of that nature. But before we get into that, I just want to quickly say we. We kind of brushed over this quickly. But, you know, I was on podcast Hate Speech recently. It's a great show, you know, on the subject of exercising your freedoms and your voice. It is a show where you can talk about something you do not like. I talked about origin stories and how I don't care for those as a media concept. So anyway, just wanted to give. Give the plug to the great show. [00:04:24] Speaker C: Yeah, no, I'm awful at plugging myself, so I'm glad you did that. But yeah, no, Hate Speech is a show about expressing hatred and kind of a way to combat toxic positivity. I think there's too much of that. I think we should be loud and proud with things we don't like. Recently we just covered the metaverse, so that was fun to talk about. [00:04:47] Speaker B: Yes. Yes. [00:04:48] Speaker C: Yeah, like that. That's. That was a nightmare, you know, that I never want to experience again. [00:04:52] Speaker B: Yeah, I never metaverse that I liked. [00:04:55] Speaker C: Yeah. No, there we go. Yes. But, you know, I think in the world of Metal Gear Solid, I do want to be a part of that VR. I want to join that metaverse. I want to integrate myself in the S3 plan and become Solid Snake. [00:05:11] Speaker D: So really, the world of Metal Gear, people have to understand if you're under the age of 30, that Kojima predicted all of this, the reality that you are living in right now, Kojima, as much as or more than any auteur during Kojima wrote metal gear solid 1 and 2 before 911 even happened and hit 2024 with a fucking bullseye. [00:05:43] Speaker C: So I have a great factoid that goes along with 911 do it. So my favorite. So Metal Gear Solid, in case you're not, you know, a sick nasty freak like myself is a video game series that spans from like, gosh, like nine. Well, okay, like the beginning games, you know, go back to like the early 90s and. [00:06:00] Speaker D: Yeah, let's go back to NES early 90s to now. [00:06:03] Speaker C: Yeah, nobody talks about those games though. It's fine. I haven't played them, I haven't beat them. I just watched the YouTube videos on them. But it spans up until modern day. We got metal gear solid 5, 2018, I think 2017, somewhere around then. [00:06:26] Speaker B: That's two metal gear solid fives, even. [00:06:28] Speaker C: Yeah, that's right. So Mete Gear Solid 2 came out right after 9 11. And so there was an ending scene where they crash into the New York Stock Exchange and the main villain of metal gear solid 2 was going to be wrapped in the New York Stock Exchange flag and, you know, rip apart the flag. But they decided against that because of the 9 11. Right. They, they, they had to cut that out because they decided it was too, too, too close to home, I guess. I don't know why. Yeah, but like everyone was cutting out like, you know, terrorist attacks during that period. [00:07:04] Speaker D: It seems like there were like, like 10 pieces of art that had nine, like had like destruction of New York in the imagery right before 911 happened. I can think of like 10 different things that had to be changed. [00:07:18] Speaker B: Leland Stitch had to be changed. The spaceship at the end of the movie was originally hijacked. Airplane did not like that. [00:07:27] Speaker D: I think the good news is America is way too cynical to do that ever again in all of history. There will never be a collective reaction to any terrible event for all of human history. Whenever anything bad happens from now on, people will say, how can this be utilized to my individual tribe's advantage? [00:07:50] Speaker C: Yeah, that's right. We're done. We solved it. And I'm excited to move forward as a culture. [00:07:55] Speaker D: And of course, big, big thanks to George W. Bush abusing the goodwill that he got from all of America to, to exercise draconian laws that, that harass the innocent for years and years and years after this happened, taking advantage of the American people and, and degrading their optimism in ways that could never be replicated again. Which brings us to today's show. I guess we're going to be talking about both Metal Gear Solid as a series, and we're also going to touch on the Patriot Act. This, this all happened in continuity with each other. The, the, the, the, the entertainment of that decade. You know, shows like Metal Gear Solid of course. But Also, stuff like 24 happened during this decade. Homeland happened during this decade. There was just a whole rethinking of how America and the whole world reacted to security, nationality, a lot. [00:08:58] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:08:59] Speaker A: And I mean, it got to the point where Kojima, when people ask, like, why. Why are you doing stuff besides Metal Gear Solid series shit, he's like, man, I can't keep up. Like, I make a game, and then before it even comes out, half the shit in it has happened. [00:09:15] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:09:18] Speaker C: I mean, but, like, that's how much of an Amadeus Kojima is really. You know, like, he. He saw all this coming. A mil. Even, like, the first Metal Gear, you know, like, had a lot to do with, like, okay, we have all these disenfranchised soldiers. You know, what do we do with them? [00:09:34] Speaker D: I'd say. [00:09:34] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:09:34] Speaker D: No, the premise of the whole series of Metal Gear Solid is so many soldiers are disenfranchised as national alliances shift, as elected political leaders come into office and their priorities change. What happens to the people that, on the ground, determine the fate of nations? That's definitely the entire theme. I don't want to jump too far ahead of the timeline here, but that's a big theme of the whole story. [00:10:02] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah, no, there's that and also this theme of what it means to pass something along, whether that be information and what information we should or shouldn't pass along. Right. You know, my favorite game in the series is metal gear solid 2, and the whole core of that game is, you know, like a censorship of information and how to effectively censor information and how to propagandize to other people and. And yourself. Right. There's a lot. There's a lot of. A lot of things in these games, man. Like, I. I don't know. So I want to know more about the patriarch, though, because I. I feel like I do remember the patriarch Patriot Act. I remember that time period vaguely. I was fresh into high school when this was all going down. But, like, a refresher would be welcomed. So tell me about the patrons. [00:10:54] Speaker A: So, during the Bush era, a shadowy cabal of people grabbed control of the government. They started staging limited warfare and specialized battlefields meant to showcase the best of modern technology in a. In a. Contain. Wait, hold on. I think I'm still talking about Metal Gear. No, I'm talking about the Bush era. [00:11:19] Speaker C: It's peanut butter and chocolate. They just go together. You know, you honestly. [00:11:23] Speaker D: And this is. I don't want to distract too much from a discussion of both the series and the Patriot Act. But you're also describing Ukraine today. You're the idea of decentralized battlefields where conglomerates tested, breaking technology. There aren't giant robots, but however, almost everything else is one to one. [00:11:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:11:49] Speaker A: You know, the world of middle ground giant robots. If they could. [00:11:52] Speaker B: Like, I'm pretty sure Trump would still be giving help to Ukraine if it was in the form of giant robots. [00:11:59] Speaker D: If America was the only country that had the robots. Absolutely. He'd be saying, the robots, they're coming. You're so huge. [00:12:09] Speaker B: And on social media, he would put an uppercase. The robots, lowercase, are coming after our enemies. [00:12:16] Speaker C: That's the most disappointing thing. Like, I would. I would want to live in the Metal Gear Solid universe more than our current one, because it is just our political situation plus robots. Right? Yeah, that's all I want. I just want robots. [00:12:28] Speaker A: You know, like political situation. Except all the actors are taking themselves 20% more seriously, which actually would be great. That would be fucking. [00:12:37] Speaker C: Oh, yeah. [00:12:40] Speaker B: Yeah. You would never have the Doge in the Metal Gear Solid world. [00:12:45] Speaker C: Yeah, even Kojima is like that. That's too cringy. I'm good, actually. [00:12:49] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:12:49] Speaker A: It would just be called like the Department of Departments or something like that in the Kojima universe. [00:12:55] Speaker B: Department of Departments. Actually, that is what it kind of is. [00:12:59] Speaker C: He would just be like Power Control man or something. [00:13:02] Speaker A: The boss department. [00:13:05] Speaker C: Yeah, that's right. We're part of the boss department. It could be an acronym, sure. [00:13:09] Speaker A: You know, BOSS stands for Bureaucracy only subsidizes silliness or so. I don't know. [00:13:17] Speaker D: Yeah, Bureaucracy only subsidizes sucking the boss department and it inefficiencies and it goes downhill from there. Republicans, please stop listening right now. [00:13:37] Speaker B: Donald Trump just signed an executive order. You cannot watch our podcast if you're a true American patriot. [00:13:43] Speaker C: So, yeah, even the insignias will be cooler. Right? Like instead of the stupid Doge dog, like, it would be like a slug, but like with like really sharp teeth or something, you know? [00:13:53] Speaker A: Like, I was thinking the boss department would just be represented by a gun. [00:13:58] Speaker D: We absolutely need to shut the up right now before the State Department recruits us. We've got us. We've got a segue right now. [00:14:07] Speaker C: Yeah, I. I hear some knocking at my door right now. I think they're trying to get me. Get my. All my ideas out of my head. [00:14:15] Speaker A: Yeah, they're like, you're either hired or dead, kid. Which one you want? Yeah, also a lot like Metal Gear Solid. [00:14:23] Speaker D: So take this job or take this bullet. What's it going to Be. [00:14:27] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:14:28] Speaker A: So the Patriot act era, basically, again, so, okay, slightly more serious, you know, so 911 goes down, and basically these guys are like, hey, we've got to do something about national security. We need to really crack down on this issue. And that leads us to the Patriot act, which gives birth to all kinds of shit that we hate today. Like the TSA fly lists, many of our overseas torture facilities. You know, just. You go on and on about just bad things that have happened in the last 20 years. And so many of them relate directly to the passage of the Patriot Act. And also, the Patriot act begins the gradual dissolution of separation of powers that we're now confronted today. Like, our whole constitutional crisis that we're currently in would not exist without the Patriot Act. Yeah, I know this is a comedy show, but I. For a second here, I really. I'm sorry. [00:15:29] Speaker C: No, it's good, though, because, like, luckily, that's in the past. You know, that was in the George W. Bush era. These things are still ongoing. We've moved on as a society. [00:15:37] Speaker A: And, oh, now Biden and everything's. Wait, hold on. [00:15:42] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm receiving word that actually, no, we're still boned. Gitmo is still a thing, I guess. [00:15:50] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:15:51] Speaker C: Yeah. Well, now I'm sad. [00:15:55] Speaker D: Welcome. Thanks for listening to all of our viewers. [00:15:58] Speaker A: I'll just remind everybody that the Patriot act era was also the first time that the Republicans really started to talk seriously about what if we didn't have elections? Because there's so many safety issues back then, they've gotten rid of the. Having a reason now, it seems like. And they're just going, what if we didn't have elections? But back then they were going, well, what if we didn't have elections? Not because we're fascists or anything, but because there's so many security issues for America right now. Can we really. Can we really safely transfer power? Uh, which. Still evil. But, you know, at least they were trying to come up with a reason. [00:16:40] Speaker C: Yeah, I think they learned some really important lessons on how to seize control. [00:16:47] Speaker D: Yeah. The most important lesson they learned was that their regular voters didn't give a shit about the reason. I just want to control by any means possible. [00:16:56] Speaker C: Yeah. And it's like this idea of, like, we gotta turn the culture along with us too. Right. Like, I think part of the. The power of the Patriot act was that it was called the Patriot Act. Right. It's this idea that we need to, you know, with 9 11, use. Use this momentum that we have to really boost up patriotism and this idea that if you're not with America, you're against it, you know, And I. I think that's why I love the Metal Gear Solid series. Because it directly addresses this. [00:17:25] Speaker A: Right? [00:17:25] Speaker C: It directly addresses, like how societies kind of get controlled a little bit. And how do you propagandize effectively. Like, you can't directly censor information, but you can sure flood everybody with too much information. Right? [00:17:38] Speaker A: Yeah. The S3 program. I'm still confused. Okay, now to be clear, I want to say I only played. I've only played Metal Gear solid on the PlayStation. That's it. I played one because back in the day, you know, you just played whatever games were in front of you, right? And so at one point, that was a game that was in front of me, so I played it. I liked it just fine. None of the other games landed in front of me right away. I forgot about the series for the most part. You know, that is perfect. But looking back, you know, looking into this, to do the research for this episode S3 program, I'm still not sure exactly what it is. I'm still pretty confused in some ways. But also, it seems like it's basically the Patriot act. [00:18:21] Speaker C: Like you're. You're exactly right. You nailed it completely. Like the cool thing about this whole series, you could just watch YouTube videos on it and. And be perfect. [00:18:30] Speaker A: Okay, but you say that, but I watched a 45 minute YouTube video of the timeline of Metal Gear Solid and too short and. [00:18:40] Speaker D: And too short of a video. If you're trying to understand Metal gear solid through YouTube, you've got to start at the three hour mark, minimum. [00:18:48] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:18:48] Speaker D: If you find a three hour plus video about metal Gear Solid, that's the one to watch. [00:18:54] Speaker B: So is it easier to understand the plot of Metal Gear Solid or the plot to Kingdom Hearts? Which one? Which one is easier? [00:19:01] Speaker A: Metal Gear Solid. [00:19:02] Speaker C: Metal Gear Solid. Yeah. [00:19:04] Speaker B: Okay, good. [00:19:05] Speaker A: Because I would say I am after a couple hours of YouTube videos, because I watched that plus a couple of others. So I'm just probably 90 minutes or so of YouTube videos as confused I am after 90 minutes of YouTube videos of metal Gear Solid. I understand it better after 90 minutes of YouTube videos than I understand Kingdom Hearts after dating someone who was into Kingdom Hearts for many years. [00:19:26] Speaker C: Yeah, there's no debates about, like, what a Zeo Nort is in Metal Gear Solid. We know, like when somebody's named something, we generally know who they are. [00:19:36] Speaker A: Plus all the names are like the name in Kingdom Hearts. Everything's named like, this is the Squandly Wibbly glum. And you're like, is that good? Bad? Is it magic? Is it from our world? I. You know, like. But in Metal Gear Solid, everything is just like, well, this guy's boss, and then this guy is death boss, and then this guy's fire boss, you know, Kennedy, Fun fact. [00:20:02] Speaker B: Did you know In Kingdom Hearts 3, Donald Duck casts what may be the most powerful Final Fantasy spell of all? Zeta Flare. Donald Duck has Zeta Flare. [00:20:13] Speaker C: Whereas in Metal Gear Solid, there's a guy named Decoy Octopus. And guess what he does? He puts on disguises because he's Decoy Octopus. Like, it's. It's weirdly straightforward. [00:20:24] Speaker A: Name is like Field medic something. Oh, he's a field medic. [00:20:29] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. Like, it. It's. There's a guy named Sigand. Guess what Sigint does. You know, like, that's right. But like, it's like, it's weirdly straightforward. But then, like, when you shave off that layer, things get like, stupid crazy. [00:20:46] Speaker A: And it does. It feels like watching the 45 minute timeline video, it felt like watching a Flat Earth video. Like, it felt like someone explaining to me what's going on in our political situation, but also taking crazy pills at the same time. [00:21:02] Speaker C: Yeah. Like, if you talk about Metal Gear Solid at length, you will sound like Glenn Beck. There's no avoiding it. Like, you'll start rolling out the chart. It's like, all right, see, there are five. There's actually five versions of Solid Snake. There is Venom Snake, Punished Snake, Solid Snake, Liquid Snake, Solidus Snake. Right, but they're all based off of the same one guy. [00:21:24] Speaker A: Yeah. Who is also named, like six things himself. So, you know, what do you want to call him? You could call him a Big Boss. You could call him Naked Snake. You could call him Big Daddy Cool. Not his, but like, all right, I. [00:21:41] Speaker D: Need to learn something. [00:21:41] Speaker B: Can you call him Late for dinner? [00:21:43] Speaker D: You can call him the Cowboy of Love. Anything you want. You can call a ham sandwich whatever you want. [00:21:48] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:21:49] Speaker A: You call him Jack or John, and either one of those is fine. [00:21:54] Speaker C: Yeah. Like, it's. It's wild. Like, it's not a subtle game. It's just there's a lot of it. Right. Like, Kennedy, the one thing I sent you earlier is. Is killing me. Right? So the main bad guy of metal gear Solid 2, his name is Solidus, he has two swords. He has a power body suit. He used to be the President and he has two swords. One is named Democrat. Translated, the other one is named Republican. Because he wields both. Both Things of power here. It's like, yeah, it's not a subtle game, but like I love it because I think it's also like accurate. I don't know how like Kojima has, has figured out how to accurately describe American political systems, but he has. And even though this was made like during and after, you know, was released after 9 11, he has described perfectly what the Patriarch act is and what it entails and what our political future was going to be for the next, you know, 20 plus years until this country ends finally, we hope. [00:22:59] Speaker A: Yeah, it's shocking series and you know, you look at the characters of the Patriot act era. Donald Rumsfeld, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Colin Powell. These guys feel like Metal Gear Solid characters. [00:23:17] Speaker D: I describe them comfortably as the dirt worst. [00:23:20] Speaker C: Yeah, no, they just need to have cooler names, you know, and even down. [00:23:25] Speaker A: To like some of the phrases of the era. Weapons of mass destruction, WMDs. That's just metal Gears. Like that's like the entire concept of what a Metal Gear is within the universe is basically just a really cool wmd. So like that, that whole thing, like there's just so many things that track right over. So with it in mind that so many things tracked right over. I had a hard time structuring this episode in our usual manner because our usual episode structure relies on the contrasts between fact and fiction. You know, such as our episode with your co host about Animorphs where we, you know, we talked about which of our political figures might be able to stop an alien invasion and things like that. Some contrast between real life and a fictional scenario. There's nothing to contrast here. I struggled for hours. I stared at the page. Andrew gave me shit for not writing enough stuff fast enough because I had really promised to and I had. And honestly, it's not even that I wasn't trying. Andrew, I want to be clear. I want you to know I really did start watching videos, you know, well in advance and thinking about it. But I. [00:24:51] Speaker B: Maybe the real Metal Gear Solid was inside us the whole time. [00:24:56] Speaker A: I was struggling with this one. But then it came to me. It clicked. And I've got the perfect way for us to vote today. A game that is going to change all of us. For better, for worse. I'm not sure. [00:25:10] Speaker B: I need an adult. I need an adult. [00:25:12] Speaker A: It will make you feel I am the adult. [00:25:14] Speaker D: And I say keep rolling. What do you got here? [00:25:16] Speaker B: You are not a good adult. [00:25:18] Speaker A: We are gonna play a game where I have 35 quotes handpicked from half from Metal Gear Solid and Half from ghouls of the Patriot act era, such as people I just mentioned. Karl Rove, Colin Powell, etc. All right, And I guarantee this is going to be challenging, even for you, Nate. I think. [00:25:41] Speaker C: I disagree. I think. [00:25:43] Speaker A: I think at least one of these might trip even you up. [00:25:47] Speaker C: No, I feel like I'm going to be walking out of this an A plus student, perfect score. I have. I have a special brain. I have a special Metal Gear Solid brain. And I. I take on your challenge. And you know what? If I miss evil, even a single one, I will. I will vote this next election. I will. I will submit my ballot. This is a promise. [00:26:14] Speaker A: I'm going to keep. Scores here. So you get one point if you correctly identify if this is real life or the video game. And you get two points if you tell me who said it. [00:26:24] Speaker C: Oh, damn. Okay, Yes. [00:26:26] Speaker D: I guess. I guess I should go first as the intermediate. [00:26:30] Speaker A: No, no, no, no. Andrew's gonna go first for all of them because he doesn't know anything. And then Brandon, you'll go in the middle, and Nate, as the. As the. As the. The sort of champion, you'll go last as to not pollute anyone else's answers. [00:26:45] Speaker C: Okay, I'm ready for it. [00:26:47] Speaker A: All right, I'm gonna start with a couple of easy ones. Okay, here's a. Here's an easy one to kick us off. There are known knowns. There are things that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we don't know or that we know that we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know. We don't know. Andrew, was that Metal Gear Solid or real life? [00:27:13] Speaker B: Real life. George W. Bush. [00:27:15] Speaker A: Shoot me, Brandon. [00:27:18] Speaker D: This was real life. This was real life. And it was actually one of my favorite quotes from Donald Rumsfeld. He was unfairly maligned for this quote. [00:27:27] Speaker C: Yeah, no, I agree. It is real life. And so true. Really touched me, you know, like, there are unknown. [00:27:34] Speaker A: Did you know it was Rumsfeld before Brandon said? [00:27:37] Speaker C: No, no, no, no, no, no. [00:27:38] Speaker A: I'll give you one point, then I only say. [00:27:41] Speaker C: Yeah, one point for me. [00:27:42] Speaker A: All right, so that's one point for Andrew and Nate, two points for Brandon. All right, next up. Okay, we can tell other people about having faith, what we had faith in, what we found important enough to fight for. It's not whether you were right or wrong, but how much faith you were willing to have that decides the future. Andrew, real life or the video game? [00:28:06] Speaker B: That sounds like the Video game. Something the boss would have said. [00:28:10] Speaker D: All right, Brandon, I'm actually going to say real life. And from Karl Rove. [00:28:18] Speaker C: Okay, that was metal gear solid 2, and that was Solid Snake. Said that at the end, I think. [00:28:25] Speaker A: That's right. It was Solid Snake. [00:28:29] Speaker C: Come back. [00:28:31] Speaker A: So we're now at. Andrew has two, Brandon has two, and Nate has three. Okay, next up. A strong man doesn't need to read the future. He makes his own. Andrew, this is puzzling him. Oh, and you're muted. [00:28:47] Speaker B: I'm going to say Metal Gear Solid, and I want to say Liquid Snake. [00:28:53] Speaker A: Brandon. [00:28:55] Speaker B: Wow. [00:28:56] Speaker D: So we're already getting under our skin. [00:28:58] Speaker C: This is. [00:28:58] Speaker D: These are going to be devastatingly hard. I'm going to actually concur with Andrew and say that sounds a lot like liquid. [00:29:06] Speaker C: So, yeah, I'm also saying it's Metal Gear. Although, like, you know, I don't want to downplay, like, real life political mysticism and trying to read the future, but I think that was Solid Snake in Metal Gear Solid one. [00:29:19] Speaker A: That's right. It was Solid Snake, not Liquid Snakes. [00:29:24] Speaker C: Yeah, it was at the end, because he didn't die from the genetically engineered virus. Fox die. [00:29:29] Speaker D: Him and Meryl rode off into the sunset right after they call it Fox die. [00:29:34] Speaker B: Yet he lived. Curious, I know. [00:29:37] Speaker D: Yeah, curious. [00:29:38] Speaker A: All right, here's your next one. We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality judiciously, as you will, we'll act again, creating other realities, which you can study, too. And that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors, and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do. [00:29:59] Speaker B: Real life. Dick Cheney, Karl Rove. [00:30:02] Speaker D: Absolutely cooked American society with this. [00:30:06] Speaker C: Yeah, no, that one's real life. I'm. I don't know who said that, though. [00:30:10] Speaker A: Now, to be fair, nobody knows who said that one for sure, but it's widely believed to be Karl Rove, so I'm giving the point for Karl Rove. [00:30:19] Speaker C: It's inspiring, though. I absolutely wrecked. [00:30:23] Speaker D: They haven't coped with it in 20 years. Since 20 years have passed, they still haven't caught up to that one. [00:30:28] Speaker A: Nope. [00:30:30] Speaker D: He was like Michael J. Fox playing the guitar. [00:30:33] Speaker C: You know, I just. I just wish I had that level of confidence. I need to steal some of that power. [00:30:38] Speaker D: It's not the level of confidence. We all are confident is that we just don't have the level of unmitigated evil that Carl had. Let's move on. [00:30:47] Speaker A: All right, here's here's your next one. If in doubt, don't. If still in doubt, do what's right. [00:30:54] Speaker B: Real life George W. Bush. I'm just going to keep guessing. George W. Bush. [00:31:01] Speaker D: This sounds like this is a perfect crossroads of both George W. Bush and the Colonel. So I'm gonna flip a coin and I'm gonna take the Colonel. [00:31:13] Speaker C: Yeah, it's real life. Who's the Colonel? [00:31:17] Speaker D: The Colonel from Metal Gersali. [00:31:19] Speaker C: Oh, oh, I thought you're talking about like some political figure known as the Colonel. [00:31:22] Speaker B: Nate. Snake. Snake. [00:31:25] Speaker C: Yeah. No, no, this is a real life thing. I don't know who said it. Let's put on Dick Cheney. Why not? [00:31:31] Speaker A: This is another Rumsfeld. Rumsfeld quote for you. Coming at you. All right. In the Middle east, we don't hunt foxes, we hunt jackals. Instead of foxhounds, we use royal harriers. [00:31:47] Speaker B: I'm saying Metal Gear Solid. Gosh, I don't remember the characters names well enough. Evil make a guy from Metal Gear Solid. [00:32:03] Speaker D: This one is. No one's gonna talk about hunting foxes in real life. We're not that on the nose. So this is almost certainly a Metal Gear Solid character. And we're gonna go with the Colonel again as my guess. [00:32:18] Speaker C: All right, I know exactly where this happens in Metal Gear Solid one. This is on the rooftop of one of the buildings where he's fighting Liquid Snake. Who says this line? [00:32:29] Speaker D: You absolute free. [00:32:31] Speaker C: Yeah. Helicopter. Yeah. I told you I have a. I have a magical brain. When it comes to Metal Gear Solid, I can't stop it. [00:32:38] Speaker A: All right, so far scores are still close. We've got Andrew and Brandon at 6 and Nate at 9. So, you know, Nate is getting a small early lead, but one of you could still. Could still put this in the bag. It's not impossible. It's not impossible. [00:32:54] Speaker B: Vote for me. I give you numbers. [00:32:57] Speaker A: All right, you need to understand, if you take out a government, take out a regime, guess who becomes the government and regime and is responsible for the country? You are. So if you break it, you own it. [00:33:10] Speaker B: Real life George W. Bush. I'm just. That's going to be my vote. [00:33:14] Speaker A: All right, Brandon. [00:33:16] Speaker D: I'm going to say real life Colin Powell. [00:33:19] Speaker C: I. I'm also going to say real life Colin Powell, but I'm cheating off of that name, though, because I would. [00:33:25] Speaker B: Have just given you one. [00:33:27] Speaker A: Only giving you one. [00:33:28] Speaker C: That's fine. Yeah, this. Okay. [00:33:31] Speaker A: All right. Americans are too in love with the sound of their own voice to speak the truth. [00:33:37] Speaker B: Metal Gear the Colonel. [00:33:40] Speaker A: Brandon. [00:33:42] Speaker D: Colonel Would never Denigrate the average American in such a way. I'm gonna say, oh, man. Who would say this? Who would be this real? I'm gonna say Metal Gear Solid, and I'm gonna say Revolver Ocelot. [00:33:59] Speaker C: I'm also gonna say Metal Gear Solid. Revolver Ocelot. I don't. I'm not 100% on that one, though. [00:34:05] Speaker A: It was Revolver Ocelot. All right, well done. Well done. Negative politics have always been around real life. [00:34:19] Speaker B: That really does sound like something George. [00:34:21] Speaker A: Bush would say, Brandon. [00:34:23] Speaker D: I'm going to say Metal Gear Solid. Mailing Nate. [00:34:27] Speaker C: Oh, man. Yeah, this. This is a toughie. I'm going to say real life, and I'm going to throw it to Bush on this one because they're so wise. It's so true. Negative politics. Very true. [00:34:42] Speaker A: This is a Carl Rove Carl Rove quote. No battle plan survives contact with the enemy. [00:34:52] Speaker B: Why are you doing this to me, Kennedy? [00:34:55] Speaker A: I told y'all I had the perfect game. It took me a while. [00:34:59] Speaker B: No battle man has the perfect Metal Gear Solid. Snake. [00:35:04] Speaker A: Okay. Solid Snake. Metal Gear. [00:35:07] Speaker D: First of all, I know this is a quote from World War I. I don't know who did all this in real. Whatever. I know this from. From General von Moltke from World War I, because I listened to some podcasts. [00:35:20] Speaker A: And he mentioned someone either in these video games or in the Bush admin. Famously said it. Also referencing. But still. [00:35:30] Speaker D: So this being a little tough, I'm gonna say. I'm going to say real. Real Dick Cheney. [00:35:39] Speaker C: Yeah, this is a real lifer. I. Who would say this? Yeah. You know, I can't say Dick Cheney, but I will say, let's put Bush. Bush has got to be in here somewhere. [00:35:53] Speaker A: On, pal. All right, I'm going to let y'all know because I feel bad. Bush is actually barely represented. No, I mostly picked the ghouls because Bush's quotes are all like, you can't put an air fighter on your family's head. You know? [00:36:11] Speaker C: But see, that would. That would live in Metal Gear Solid, though, that down home folksy wisdom. [00:36:18] Speaker A: True, true. [00:36:19] Speaker B: I could. [00:36:20] Speaker A: I could. I could have done a little more Bush, I guess. All right. Death has a tendency to encourage a depressing view of war. [00:36:31] Speaker B: Metal Gear Solid and Ocelot. [00:36:37] Speaker D: Metal Gear Solid. I'll say, Merrill. Actually, I like to change my vote to Sniper Wolf. Although I'm pretty sure it's Sniper. [00:36:46] Speaker C: All right. I'm gonna say just take your vote. [00:36:49] Speaker B: Out of the ballot. [00:36:49] Speaker C: Yeah, no problem. This one's a toughie because we could be talking about either real or fake wars. Um, yeah, I think this is Metal Gear Solid quote though. I'm gonna throw it to otacon. This feels like an OTACON line. [00:37:04] Speaker A: I'm a Rumsfeld, motherfuckers. [00:37:09] Speaker C: You're so excited. You're so happy you got us all too. [00:37:12] Speaker D: We're so excited to have boomed us on that one. [00:37:16] Speaker B: Are you out of office? I'm voting you out of office. [00:37:20] Speaker A: That's a point for me. All right. [00:37:23] Speaker C: Yeah, no, put Kennedy on the board, all right? [00:37:28] Speaker A: He who controls the battlefield controls history. [00:37:33] Speaker B: Metal Gear Solid. I'm going with. I'm going with Ocelot again. I don't even care. It's going to be a real life person. And. [00:37:44] Speaker D: I'll say Liquid Snake as the quote there. [00:37:47] Speaker C: See now I'm kind of suspicious here. Last time I agreed with both of you. Got in trouble. Yeah, no, I'm going Metal Gear Solid. This feels like a Liquid Snake line. [00:37:58] Speaker A: This is actually a solid Snake line. But it was Metal Gear Solid. [00:38:03] Speaker C: I mean, genetically, they're pretty close. So you know, they are twins. That's all I'm saying. [00:38:07] Speaker A: The plan was criticized by some retired military officers embedded in TV studios. But with every advance our coalition forces, the wisdom of that plan becomes more apparent. [00:38:19] Speaker B: Friends, Kennedy. I thought we were friends. Kennedy. Metal Gear Solid. Liquid Snake. [00:38:33] Speaker D: The people in Metal Gear are not as petty as the Republicans. This idea of their picking on retired generals. Take out. Ah, the generals thought we were killing people, but we're sticking in there. This seems like a real Republican quote and I'll go with it. Sounds a little like Cheney, so let's go. [00:38:54] Speaker C: Yeah, this is a real life one. You. You can. You can always tell because it just. It sounds so like tilted and evil. There's more evil in the real life ones, I think, than. Than the. Than the Metal Gear ones. So I'm going to. I'm going to stick this one on old rummy himself. It feels like rumselled. [00:39:13] Speaker D: All right. [00:39:13] Speaker A: It was Dick Cheney. Brandon, good call with the pettiness. [00:39:17] Speaker D: What an. What an evil bastard. [00:39:20] Speaker A: Current score is Andrew at 10, Brandon at 15, Nate at 16. This is. This is. This is getting much closer. Except for Andrew, who is getting skunked because I'm just torturing him. [00:39:34] Speaker B: Don't you do it enough in our private discord. [00:39:38] Speaker D: No, no. [00:39:40] Speaker B: I'm voting you out of office. [00:39:43] Speaker D: Voting does not work. [00:39:44] Speaker A: That legend is usually bad news. Someone tells it, someone else remembers, Everybody passes it on. [00:39:52] Speaker B: Okay, my thing went a little funny. I didn't quite catch that quote. [00:39:56] Speaker A: A legend is usually bad news. Someone tells it, someone else remembers it. Everybody passes it on. [00:40:04] Speaker B: Metal Gear Ocelot. [00:40:07] Speaker D: This sounds so much like the boss in Metal Gear Solid three, The abandoned soldier. This sounds very much like her. [00:40:15] Speaker C: Yeah, I was going to say that. This is a Solid Snake. This is a Solid Snake line. This is a Metal Gear Solid one line where he's talking to Merrill and he's saying like, hey, listen, legends aren't so cool. You know, I'm just some guy. [00:40:26] Speaker D: So. [00:40:27] Speaker C: Metal Gear Solid one. Solid Snake. [00:40:28] Speaker A: Metal Gear One. I would Snake. [00:40:30] Speaker D: Fair enough. [00:40:31] Speaker A: Well done. [00:40:34] Speaker D: I feel like both of those quote there. There's the same impulse behind both of those guys. They're both people trying to downplay their. [00:40:42] Speaker C: Own legend, which is what you do if you're like, cool, you know, like, ah, you know, it's no big deal. [00:40:46] Speaker D: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Legends are. [00:40:48] Speaker C: I only changed a couple regimes. It's fine. [00:40:51] Speaker A: After the end of World War II, the world was split in two, east and west. This marked the beginning of the era called the Cold War. [00:40:58] Speaker B: Metal Gear Solid. The Colonel. [00:41:02] Speaker D: I'm also going to say Metal Gear Solid. This seems very narratory. Let's go with the Colonel. [00:41:07] Speaker C: It's Metal Gear. Who would say this? I mean, Ocelot's Russian, so. Well, ok, it's either Ocelot or that guy who gets sliced apart by a ninja. I'm gonna go with Ocelot. I mean, they both get sliced apart by a ninja. Robot ninja. So it's hard to say. But like, let's say ocelot. [00:41:25] Speaker A: Naked snake. [00:41:27] Speaker C: Naked snake. [00:41:28] Speaker D: All right. [00:41:29] Speaker C: That checks out though. [00:41:30] Speaker B: He needs clothes. [00:41:32] Speaker C: I mean, does he though he's in the jungle, he's just hanging out, eating snakes. [00:41:36] Speaker B: He's got your poison. Without the clothes, the leaves are gonna touch him. [00:41:42] Speaker D: He's hanging. All right. And Andrew, if you've played metal gear solid 3, there's whole gameplay mechanics about getting bit by stuff while you don't have clothes. [00:41:51] Speaker A: Real heroes are never as polished as the legends that surround them. [00:41:55] Speaker B: Real life George Bush. I know you don't have much bush, but you know what? Bush everything's. [00:42:02] Speaker D: I'm going to go for the boss for metal gear solid 3. Again, this seems like. [00:42:07] Speaker C: See, I'm trying to like meta game this test. Like. All right, we've had a couple of Metal Gear Solid, Metal Gear Solid ones in the row here, but yeah, this. This is a Metal Gear Solid line. Yeah. Now this. This does feel like a boss. I was thinking we weren't going to See? The boss. But this is the boss. [00:42:24] Speaker A: Wrong. Big Boss. [00:42:27] Speaker D: Oh, no. [00:42:28] Speaker C: Okay, here we go. We're about to have a little debate around questions and answers here. [00:42:34] Speaker B: You were thinking too small. Not small Boss. Big Boss. You're thinking too small. [00:42:39] Speaker C: And now we're talking. Is the character a lady or a fella? [00:42:43] Speaker A: Fella. [00:42:44] Speaker C: Okay, okay. So. All right, so, yeah, that would be Big Boss. Yeah, I was thinking. Yeah, so we both got it wrong. Okay. [00:42:50] Speaker A: I did watch enough YouTube to understand vaguely who all these people are and how they relate to each other. [00:42:57] Speaker C: I mean, it doesn't help that there are two characters named Boss. There's the boss and Big Boss. [00:43:03] Speaker B: See, I know that one comic online. I've seen it going through and making fun of Metal Gear Solid. And I remember that one part that's like, all right, got everybody. What do we call the person who just beat the boss? And there's a piece of paper that says boss, and they're like. And then somebody writes big. And they're all like. I know that. [00:43:23] Speaker C: That's exactly what happens. That's. The President says, oh, you're bigger than the boss, so we're going to call you Big Boss, which I feel like a president would do. [00:43:33] Speaker A: Yeah, it's. It does feel very Trumpish, to be honest. [00:43:36] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:43:37] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:43:37] Speaker B: I was going to say that was a George W. Bush quote, but Trump said it first. [00:43:41] Speaker A: The good Lord didn't see fit to put oil and gas only where there are democratically elected regimes friendly to the United States. Occasionally, we have to go in places where, all considered, one would not normally choose to go, but we go where the business is. [00:43:57] Speaker B: No way. Oh. Metal Gear Solid and Metal Gear Solid. The guy. Metal Gear Solid from Metal Gear Solid. Just the guy. [00:44:10] Speaker A: Mr. Solid. Mr. Solid gear. [00:44:15] Speaker D: I feel exactly the opposite. This quote is so evil and smarmy that it could only be in real life. And I'm gonna say that it's Mr. Bush from Bush Gear Solid. [00:44:29] Speaker C: Yeah. No, this. Yeah. I think that this isn't a Bush line. This is probably some other ghoul. It's definitely a real lifeline because nobody is evil enough in the Metal Gear Solid universe to invade somewhere for oil. So I don't know. Yeah, I like, like throwing out Rumsfield as an answer. [00:44:50] Speaker A: It was good old Dick Cheney, that one. There it is. Good old Dick Cheney. Given the right situation, the right story, anyone can be shaped into a hero. [00:45:01] Speaker B: Metal Hero. Solid. Liquid Snake. [00:45:04] Speaker D: Brandon, first of all, great game you picked here, Kennedy. You're really, really cooking us here. I'm gonna Say Sigint from. Wait, I'm gonna say Mei Ling from Metal Gear Solid will be my choice. [00:45:23] Speaker C: All right. I think this is Metal Gear Solid three. I think this is the boss. Yeah, that's what I'm going for. [00:45:30] Speaker A: Revolver Ocelot. [00:45:32] Speaker C: Okay, there it is. I was. [00:45:34] Speaker B: You know, it's thinking. [00:45:35] Speaker C: It's funny because I don't think Republicans talk about heroes all that much, which is weird. [00:45:39] Speaker D: Correct. Not for the last 20 years, because they. [00:45:44] Speaker B: They. [00:45:45] Speaker D: They've ceded that to the other guys. [00:45:47] Speaker B: I know I shouldn't give my opponents here an unfair advantage because they might beat me, but I've. Not that all the quotes are from the first two Metal Gear Solid games. Kennedy. Will that trend continue? [00:45:59] Speaker A: We'll see. [00:46:00] Speaker D: Yeah, I've been guessing the boss a lot because Metal Gear Solid three is my favorite of the series. They might show up. Who knows? [00:46:09] Speaker B: See, the only one I played was the spin off Rising Vengeance. And I know you ain't gonna put Senator Armstrong as an answer. [00:46:17] Speaker C: He's too strong. [00:46:18] Speaker A: We haven't. [00:46:19] Speaker D: We haven't seen Peace Walker show up either. So we'll just see what happens. [00:46:24] Speaker A: All right. We will, in fact, be greeted as liberators. [00:46:30] Speaker B: Real life. Mr. Politician. [00:46:34] Speaker D: Hey, I'll say real life. And that. That just really does sound like George W. Bush. [00:46:42] Speaker A: Oh, Nate. Froze. [00:46:44] Speaker C: I froze. I'm back. Because I was thinking so hard. Yeah, this feels like a real life thing because I think the villains in Metal Gear Solid aren't so conceited to see themselves as, like, liberators. But maybe I'm wrong about this, but it's a real life thing. And I'll throw it to Karl Rove. [00:47:03] Speaker A: Dick Cheney, but good guesses all around. Everyone. You don't know what you can get away with until you try. [00:47:14] Speaker B: Real life. And I'll just randomly guess Rumsfeld. [00:47:18] Speaker A: Brandon. Ah. [00:47:21] Speaker D: Honestly, it sounds much more modern than the Bush era. It's much smarter and meaner and more cynical than. Than even the 2000s. You don't know what you can get away with until you try. Who. Who has that? It honestly sounds like a Trump quote. Although I know for sure he didn't say it. I guess I'll say real life. And I guess I guess I'll say Rove. But he didn't say it. It's someone else. [00:47:52] Speaker C: Right? So I. This has to be a real life in the Metal Gear Solid universe is competent. They wouldn't just, like, try to guess things. So, yeah, yeah, let's throw it to Dick Cheney. This is. This feels like a Cheneyism. [00:48:06] Speaker A: Colin Powell, who really said some nasty stuff. People forget about him sometimes. [00:48:13] Speaker C: I forget about this whole period in politics. [00:48:18] Speaker A: We're really going to get into some spicy ones here. All right. I wake up every morning, literally with a smile on my face, grateful for another day I never thought I'd see. [00:48:31] Speaker B: Metal Gear Solid. That octagon. That nerd. The nerd. The nerd guy. [00:48:36] Speaker A: Octagon. Yeah. [00:48:39] Speaker B: This is just like one of my Japanese anime God. Who's. [00:48:43] Speaker D: Who's grateful in American life. Small list. I'm going to say that this is Eva from Metal Gear Solid 3. [00:48:52] Speaker C: You know, this is. This feels like a real life thing. Actually feels like a real life thing, because everyone in Metal Gear is like, you know, loves death. Uh, they're just barely clinging on. Um, I'll say it's a Dick Cheney thing. No, that doesn't seem right. I don't know who. Who said this, but it feels like a real life thing. [00:49:11] Speaker A: I. I'm going to give you the two points, Nate, because it was Dick Cheney. [00:49:15] Speaker C: Why would Dick Cheney say that? [00:49:17] Speaker A: Because he almost died. [00:49:19] Speaker C: That's right. That's right. [00:49:22] Speaker A: But I knew that one might trip y'all up because it's like, who's gonna say that in politics? [00:49:27] Speaker C: Yeah, like he wasn't like a soldier. Almost like, it can't be Dick Cheney. He wasn't. [00:49:31] Speaker A: In a war, there's no such thing as miracles or the supernatural. Only cutting edge technology. [00:49:38] Speaker B: Feels like Metal Gear Solid and Liquid Snake. Whatever. [00:49:47] Speaker D: Ah, this is another tough one. I'm gonna say the boss. I'm going to say big boss. [00:49:53] Speaker C: All right, I know exactly when this happens in metal gear solid 2, it is when Revolver Ocelot is shooting at fortune. And you know, she has magical powers that. Well, science powers that reflects bullets. So Revolver Ocelot said that one. [00:50:11] Speaker A: Very well done. [00:50:12] Speaker C: And I apologize for my damn. You know, I feel bad about that. [00:50:17] Speaker B: Look, the only person I blame is Kennedy. Don't feel bad. Who's the one who put us in the situation in this death game? [00:50:26] Speaker A: But look, America is a place that creates myths for its own existence and its own amusement. And I was a subject of myth. Sort of like Grendel and Beowulf, you know, not seen very often, but often talked about. [00:50:42] Speaker D: This is brutal. You really were not kidding. I don't. [00:50:50] Speaker B: I don't even care. Real life, Rumsfeld, Brandon. [00:50:56] Speaker D: It's just really, really, really, really tough. You really got a quote that's right on the fine line between real life and a video game character. I'm gonna say. Can you give the quote again just to give me three extra seconds to take a break? [00:51:14] Speaker A: America is a place that creates myths for its own existence and its own amusement. And I was a subject of myth, sort of like Grendel and Beowulf. You know, not seen very often, but often talked about. [00:51:27] Speaker C: It's just. [00:51:28] Speaker D: It's just hard to believe a member of the Bush administration would know who Grendel or Beowulf was. So I. This just isn't the right answer, but I'm going to say Revolver Ocelot just for spray value. [00:51:44] Speaker C: This has to be real life because it is so incredibly stupid that no video game character would say it. It's. It's so. So, like, pointless and egotistical that there's no way, like, a video game guy would say this as who it could be any one of those ghouls. I'm gonna say Rumsfeld. [00:52:05] Speaker A: Karl Rove said that? [00:52:09] Speaker C: Yeah, yeah. [00:52:11] Speaker D: Too evil for real life or not enough. You're never sure. Karl Rove is the only person in the whole Bush administration who would know who Grendel was. I really should have figured it out based on. [00:52:22] Speaker C: You read the Spark notes once in college? [00:52:25] Speaker D: Yeah, exactly. [00:52:28] Speaker A: If you ask me, there is no happiness to be found in death. No peace, either. [00:52:35] Speaker B: You know, this is so obvious that I'm gonna be wrong. Metal Gear Solid Snake. [00:52:42] Speaker A: Brandon. [00:52:44] Speaker D: I'm not totally sure, but it does sound like solid. Like a thing Solid Snake would say before fighting a boss battle or something tricky. [00:52:54] Speaker C: It's definitely a Metal Gear quote as to where it is. Like, there's a couple characters that are ghosts, so I have to take that into consideration. I think it sounds like a Metal Gear Solid. One quote from Solid Snake talking to his departed friend who got turned into a robot ninja. [00:53:14] Speaker D: It could be the Sorrow or someone like that, but I'm going to go. [00:53:18] Speaker C: With, yeah, it feels like a Solid Snake one. [00:53:19] Speaker A: Y'all got that one. It was Solid Snake. [00:53:22] Speaker D: All right. [00:53:23] Speaker A: Hey, the commander in the field is always right, and the rear echelon is wrong unless proved otherwise. [00:53:31] Speaker B: All right, all right. I'm just going through my tabs to get the right name. Rum spelled real life. [00:53:43] Speaker D: I don't remember the phrase rear echelon from Metal Gear Solid, and it doesn't sound like something Kojima would write, so I'm gonna say real life. But who would say that? Well, either Rumsfeld or Powell would have the most knowledge of, because Rogue wouldn't even know what a rear echelon even is. So it's Kind of a coin flip for me. I'm gonna guess Powell, but it could be anyone in the whole world. [00:54:14] Speaker C: This has to be real life because it follows the. The. The Republican kind of I'm always right unless I'm proven wrong. Sentence structure like that. That's a. That's a real thing. Good old rummy. Yeah. Mr. Rumsfeld said that. [00:54:29] Speaker A: Owen Powell. Well done. [00:54:33] Speaker C: Dang. [00:54:34] Speaker D: One of those guys that know what an echelon is. Yeah. Yeah. [00:54:38] Speaker A: Easy to take liberty for granted when you have never had it taken from you. [00:54:43] Speaker B: Metal Gear Solid. Ocelot. [00:54:46] Speaker D: I'm going to go with otacon, but it does sound like a Metal Gear Solid. [00:54:50] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm also going Metal Gear on that one because I don't think anyone in the Bush cabinet would say that they had liberty taken away from them. [00:54:56] Speaker D: No one in the Bush cabinets had liberty taken from them. They were all born on third thought. They hit it. [00:55:03] Speaker C: Yeah. Yeah. As for who said that in Metal Gear, that's a tricky one. Yeah. I'm gonna go right in and. No, that's not right. I Solid Snake. And I know I'm wrong. [00:55:15] Speaker A: Nick Cheney. [00:55:19] Speaker C: Say that? [00:55:20] Speaker D: Why would he say that? [00:55:21] Speaker C: What was he talking about? [00:55:23] Speaker A: He was drumming up support for the Iraq war. This was beaten. This was a beating the war drums speech. [00:55:35] Speaker C: He was empathizing really hard with people. Their. Their right. [00:55:38] Speaker B: Because we need to feed them and we don't. And we're too stupid to understand how badly they need to be. Fred. Okay. Freed. Okay. [00:55:46] Speaker D: What an unmitigated. Anyway, keep going here. [00:55:50] Speaker B: You know, it's a good thing his name's called Dick. [00:55:53] Speaker A: Building the future and keeping the past alive are one and the same thing. [00:55:58] Speaker C: Oh, God, these do get harder. [00:56:03] Speaker B: I hate you, Kennedy. Metal Gear Solid. [00:56:10] Speaker D: Brandon, give this quote again. [00:56:13] Speaker A: Building the future and keeping the past alive are one and the same thing. [00:56:18] Speaker D: It's honestly a Rubik's Cube of a quote. You know, a Japanese video game developer and an American conservative politician would both high five over this one. If you can imagine a meme of the guy shaking hands. Building the future and keeping the past alive are the same things. They definitely both strongly agree. Oh, God. I'm going to say Liquid Snake. [00:56:50] Speaker C: Yeah, this is. This is the hardest one, I think because like, I can tell that it could be both. Like the. You know, but it seems so like it has like a political agenda to it. Right. Like we most. We have to retain the past and also build a future in Iraq. It feels like a real life quote. As for who said that Cheney. [00:57:14] Speaker A: Solid snake. [00:57:17] Speaker C: Oh, no. So I was like, no. [00:57:19] Speaker D: Yeah. [00:57:20] Speaker C: You know, that was tough. That was hard. [00:57:24] Speaker D: Who did? Who did? Who did? I guess did I pick real life. [00:57:28] Speaker A: You guessed Video game, but you didn't get the right person. [00:57:31] Speaker C: Yeah. [00:57:32] Speaker D: Really cooking us on this one. [00:57:33] Speaker B: You are my least favorite Kennedy in this little chat. [00:57:37] Speaker C: Right now I have to vote now. [00:57:40] Speaker A: It's gonna get hard because I started to feel like, man, these all look the same. These are. All right. We've only got a couple left. I'm cutting a couple of weak ones because we're taking. We've already taken up plenty of time. This episode is running about the right length, so I'm down to just a handful of the hardest ones. Although we've been through a couple of fiery ones, these may not be as hard as some of the ones. [00:58:08] Speaker D: This is a torture check. Kennedy was so delighted when they came up with this concept. They were like, I'm going to torture you guys for the whole hour. And Kennedy was right. [00:58:20] Speaker C: I've never seen you more happy when we've all gotten it wrong. [00:58:27] Speaker D: Totally right. Go ahead. [00:58:28] Speaker A: First rule of politics. You can't win unless you're in the game. Second rule. If you play, you may lose. And if you tie, you do not win. [00:58:37] Speaker B: Like a Trumpism. Real life. I'm going to say you replied. You might have had at least one with George Bush on. I'm going to say George Bush. [00:58:48] Speaker D: This sounds like more than a video game or a Bush administration quote. It sounds like a political consultants quote. So I'm going to go with Karl Rove. If you tie, you do not win. Could be James Carville. It could be. It could be a lot of people. So I'm going to go with Rogue just because that's his. [00:59:07] Speaker C: Can I vote Jigsaw from the movie Saw? [00:59:13] Speaker B: Perfectly acceptable. [00:59:15] Speaker C: Okay. Yeah. If you win, you will not lose. Yeah. [00:59:22] Speaker D: Question in here. We don't know. [00:59:24] Speaker C: I'm waiting for it. Yeah. No, no. This. This is Karov. This is a dude. This is a political guy talking Rumsfeld. Oh, okay. [00:59:36] Speaker B: Okay. [00:59:36] Speaker A: Yeah. [00:59:37] Speaker C: Okay. [00:59:37] Speaker A: Preserve the president's options. He may need them. [00:59:41] Speaker B: So sorry. Give me a minute. [00:59:44] Speaker D: Andrew is in tears. Andrew is broken. [00:59:49] Speaker B: The President. Oh, God. Real life. Dick Cheney. [00:59:55] Speaker D: Preserve the president's options. He may need them. [00:59:59] Speaker B: Even though they're just. [01:00:01] Speaker D: I'll take Cheney as well. [01:00:03] Speaker B: See, that sounds like it could be in a video game, but as some sort of hitbox deserves the president's option, he may need them. [01:00:11] Speaker C: Well, it's hard because one of the main villains is the Former President of the United States in metal gear solid 2. This is a real life quote, though, because, you know, the president needs power during this time period. We need to have a powerful, strong president. Who would say that? Dick Cheney would say that. I think Dick Cheney would want to keep power in the president. [01:00:34] Speaker A: Rumsfeld, who really said a lot of the nastiest stuff. There's no such thing as an absolute unchanging truth. Even the truth can be altered in the face of new evidence. [01:00:49] Speaker B: We fall for Ocelot. [01:00:51] Speaker D: It's just. I've got to just pause the show to mention just how evil the Bush administration was. Like, we're really struggling to separate them from real cartoon characters. Can you give the. I hate to be the third person. Give it again. [01:01:12] Speaker A: There is no such thing as an absolute unchanging truth. Even the truth can be altered in the face of new evidence. [01:01:21] Speaker D: But this could also be a metal of your solid quote. I'm gonna go with. I'll go with, I guess the Colonel a few times. Maybe it'll pay off. [01:01:29] Speaker A: This. [01:01:30] Speaker C: This, like, I. This should. Like. It has to be both. Almost like I'm feeling like this could. I'm not gonna vote. I'm not gonna vote both, but I'm just saying, like, yeah, no, this is. This is painful. Yeah, no, this is Solid Snake at the end of Metal Gear Solid two. Solid Snake. [01:01:47] Speaker D: It's also a very dark quote that could be true. So it's. It's great for both of these. [01:01:55] Speaker A: Meryl Silverberg from Metal Gear Solid. [01:01:58] Speaker C: Meryl said that one. [01:01:59] Speaker A: All right, all right, all right. If you really want to diminish a candidate, depict them as the foil of his handler. This is as old in politics as politics itself. [01:02:09] Speaker B: Metal Gear Solid two. Naked Snake. [01:02:12] Speaker D: Yeah. Unfortunately, this quote is so true that it could easily be the video game or real life. I'll say that it's a Naked Snake quote, but it could be anything. [01:02:22] Speaker C: This feels like a real life thing because, like, the president in metal gear solid 2 had a robotic power armor. So I don't think he needs help, really. Whereas, like, a Dick Cheney might need to help out a George Bush for many reasons, says real life Dick Cheney. Karl Rove every time. [01:02:41] Speaker D: Jesus, can you imagine Karl Rove, of all people? He must have been saying this as a defense of himself. [01:02:48] Speaker A: Be precise. A lack of precision is dangerous when the margin of error is small. [01:02:56] Speaker B: Don't use statistics terms on me, Kennedy. You put me in a confused days. Don't you see my video? [01:03:04] Speaker D: And you know you're probably listening to this in a podcast format. And let me tell you, the three people that are taking these questions, we all, in our own ways, look completely broken. [01:03:18] Speaker A: Looks like he's still got a little bit of spirit left in him. But even Nate. I have killed some of the fire that he came in with. [01:03:26] Speaker D: Nate looks like Zelinsky at the White House. He's in Brave. He's hanging on. He's in an ambush, and he's just gonna make it through the day. [01:03:36] Speaker C: I was so wild. [01:03:37] Speaker A: Andrew looks like the teenager at the end of hereditary. [01:03:44] Speaker C: It's hard. Like, I felt, like, really good about one subject, which was video game trivia, but as it turns out, actually, real life and video games has melded more than I thought it did. [01:03:55] Speaker B: Real life. Tarot. [01:03:56] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:03:58] Speaker A: All right, Andrew, be precise. A lack of precision is dangerous when the margin of error is small. Pow. [01:04:04] Speaker B: Wow. Real life. Pow. Wow. Pow. Pow. [01:04:08] Speaker D: I'm gonna guess the Colonel again. [01:04:11] Speaker C: This has to be real life. And probably talking about some horrific smart bomb or bunker buster. So, yeah, Colin Powell. [01:04:20] Speaker A: Let's say rum spelled again. All right, last two. The only thing that allows us to live in this world is the tracing of lines. The tracing of lines that have been drawn by others. Andrew looks nervous. [01:04:37] Speaker B: Rumsfeld. Whatever. Rumsfeld. It's always Rumsfeld. [01:04:40] Speaker A: Hey, Brandon. [01:04:42] Speaker D: Dude, I. This sounds like such a Metal Gear Solid quote. So I'm gonna say Metal Gear Solid, and I'm gonna go with Solid Snake. [01:04:53] Speaker C: Yeah, no, this is hard. It has the vibes of a Metal Gear line because it's all like, oh, we're tracing our lineage and history, and it's a bit more metaphorical than. Than a political statement. So I'm saying it's a Metal Gear line. As for who said it, I think, like, it could be a Merrell line, actually. [01:05:15] Speaker A: Psycho Mantis. [01:05:17] Speaker C: Okay, great. Of course. It's like, oh, man. [01:05:19] Speaker A: All right, and our final one. Everybody can do something, but nobody can do everything. We'll do the things you can't, and we need you to do the things we can't. [01:05:32] Speaker B: Sounds like another Dick Cheney motivator. [01:05:35] Speaker D: No. No Republican in office would ever say that there are things that they can't achieve autonomously. So this is a Metal Gear Solid quote, and this is. I've guessed the Colonel eight times, so maybe just to reach for a happy ending to this complete misguessing, I'll guess the Colonel one last time. [01:05:59] Speaker C: Yeah, you're so right that, like, Republicans would never say they couldn't do everything. So. But, like, yeah, this feels Well, I want to say this is metal gear solid 2 when Snake is talking to otacon and sending him off to save hostages. So solid. Snake said this one. [01:06:18] Speaker A: I'm going to give Brandon and Nate an extra point here because this one was impossible to guess the attribution. This is from an anonymous military sans frontier soldier. [01:06:30] Speaker C: Great. [01:06:31] Speaker D: All right. Hey, cool. What a. Honestly, Kennedy, you were. Before we started this show, you were like, I'm gonna bust your asses today. [01:06:42] Speaker C: Honestly. If I got that right. If I got that right, I think I would, like, have to leave the call. I'd have to hang up. [01:06:51] Speaker D: Nate, you've won the game, but in the. The traditional Metal Gear Solid, what is the prize for winning? You really have not really gained anything, much like nuclear warfare. [01:07:03] Speaker A: The final scores, we have Nate with 40, Brandon with 34 points, and Andrew with 25 points. Sorry, Andrew, but also, we kind of knew this was coming. [01:07:15] Speaker C: I win the prize of living in a better world where the president, you know, rides a jet flown by a vampire. [01:07:25] Speaker A: You have voted the hardest today, Nate. That is your prize. Your prize is knowing that you voted more than anyone else in the United States today. [01:07:34] Speaker B: You defend democracy. [01:07:36] Speaker C: Yeah, I voted the most, and my votes are strong. [01:07:38] Speaker D: Participated in the democratic process for the entire episode. So really, if you think about it in that way, we're all winners. [01:07:47] Speaker A: Nate cast 41 dominant votes, whereas Andrew had 25 recessive votes. [01:07:57] Speaker C: So I. Okay, yeah, it's. It's hard because, like, what do I win? It's like, oh, I win. In a future where all those real quotes from real people exist, and that makes me sad. [01:08:10] Speaker B: You get to live in a future that's worse than that. [01:08:13] Speaker C: Yeah. [01:08:14] Speaker D: Not only. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what people were saying 20 years ago. That was the. The cut stuff. They were cutting that up with all of the crummy stuff. Now they're. They're snorting the pure and uncut. Now they're getting the full dose. So, you know, Yikes. [01:08:31] Speaker C: Yeah, I want to retreat to the world of Metal Gear Solid. I want to write a robot. I don't want to be here anymore. I don't like it here. [01:08:40] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:08:41] Speaker C: I vote to move over to the land of video games. [01:08:45] Speaker D: Yeah. Video games forever. [01:08:47] Speaker A: Glad that a couple of them even managed to stump you. Nate really speaks to something. [01:08:57] Speaker C: It speaks to, like, how dumb everything is today. Everything is so bad. [01:09:02] Speaker A: Some of these quotes, when I was reading them, I was like, no, that's not real. Or I was, like, reading the video game quotes, and I was like, this is on the nose as. Jesus Christ. Kojima. [01:09:15] Speaker C: You could do that with, like, anything. Like, oh, Serpentor said that one. Actually, it wasn't Rumsfeld. [01:09:22] Speaker A: I know. I felt. I, I, I felt like I could have fucked with you guys. I, I, I did not. But I felt like I could have just been like, oh, yeah, no, that one was Dick Cheney, you know, to some, you know, Big boss quote. And you all just would have been like, yeah, okay. [01:09:39] Speaker D: No Metal Gear Solid three quotes. No quotes from the Colonel. I probably blew, like, a. A solid third of my guesses just on that. So there you go. [01:09:48] Speaker C: We all support Colonel Campbell. You know, he. [01:09:51] Speaker D: He's all right. Yeah. You're deep behind enemy lines. He'll tell you a little story about the military, Whisper you a lullaby of freedom while you're getting shot at. Love that guy. [01:10:04] Speaker A: Whereas, like, represented both in real life and in fiction got a little skewed in interesting ways just because I was trying to pick the quotes that sounded the most like each other. So that was, you know, so that led to some odd character representation to. [01:10:19] Speaker C: Some extent, but, like, what does it say? What does it say? That I'd rather have fictional Colonel Campbell behind me in an actual war than, say, like, any existing political personality. [01:10:33] Speaker D: I'd rather have Liquid Snake as President of the United States, Right? [01:10:38] Speaker C: Oh, absolutely. Without a doubt. Just him shirtless on top of a robot. Like, I would be. I would be so patriotic. [01:10:46] Speaker D: Let's start there. For the land of the free. And he's got a British accent, too, and I just ignore it. And the home of the. [01:10:57] Speaker C: I think I would actually sing along if that happened. [01:11:00] Speaker A: Yeah, I might take George Sears over George Bush. [01:11:04] Speaker C: Yeah, well, he was the. He replaced Bush in this fictional universe. He's the 43rd president. George Sears. What a. What a life we could have lived if George Sears was president. Solidus Snake was president. [01:11:19] Speaker D: Great. To. To. To. Arrow Futura. Frutiger. Arrow Reality. As soon as we have the Sears instead of Bush. Yeah, for sure. [01:11:28] Speaker C: And also, like, here's the thing is George Sears had some good political proposals. He was very anti nuclear war. Right. In his prior political campaign, he was it. He negotiated with Russia to lower the stockpile, the nuclear stockpiles. So, I mean, like, hey, what. What other modern president has done that? Not what. I know, Right? So, yeah, I'd vote for Sears. [01:11:53] Speaker A: Well, Nate, thank you so much for voting with us today. We've all done our civic duties, and we appreciate you coming here to join us to be a part of. Just expressing your democratic and Republican freedoms today. [01:12:08] Speaker C: That's right. The two swords of Democrat and Republican makes me the ultimate centrist. Cutting away truth from fiction. [01:12:17] Speaker A: If Elon Musk had only come up with the twin swords of Democrat and Republican first. He's probably seething that that was his idea. [01:12:27] Speaker B: He would make it. [01:12:28] Speaker C: Don't make it real. [01:12:30] Speaker D: Yeah. [01:12:31] Speaker C: These are dangerous ideas. We can't be giving people like we can't be given anyone in the current administration. [01:12:36] Speaker A: We gotta wrap this show up. Nate, is there anywhere you want people to find you on the Internet? [01:12:41] Speaker D: You're not in the State Department. Go ahead. [01:12:43] Speaker C: Yeah, no, you can find me on the Internet as Buttzilla on Blue Sky. You can also listen to me talk more on hate speech, where we'll probably cover a couple presidents. We haven't picked one yet, but, no, I think a president is due. And, yeah, I had a blast. I voted harder than I've ever voted in my life. I didn't know I could vote that hard. [01:13:08] Speaker D: If you're a random listening to this show, email, hate speech and pitch George W. Bush administration as an episode. And they'll say, time to get famous. [01:13:20] Speaker C: Yeah. No, you can. You can vote us an episode. I'll allow it to happen once. If you DM us, we. We will. We will take votes. [01:13:29] Speaker D: Yeah. Yeah. [01:13:30] Speaker A: All right. And as always, you can vote every week by listening to this show. Or at least every week that we release an episode, you ungrateful cretins. So we'll see you next time. Bye. Bye. [01:13:43] Speaker B: Bye, bye. [01:13:50] Speaker A: Ghost Coast Studios. [01:13:51] Speaker C: Thanks for listening.