Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] Speaker A: Now, wait a minute.
[00:00:01] Speaker B: Now wait a minute.
[00:00:02] Speaker C: Why are there so many podcasts about voting?
It doesn't matter. Why. It doesn't matter. You gotta vote anyway.
[00:00:11] Speaker B: I want to sing right now, though. I want to sing. I'd rather sing than vote.
[00:00:15] Speaker C: Yeah, well, get in line.
Get in line to sing. The singing line starts over there. It's behind me.
[00:00:21] Speaker B: I'm behind. Kennedy. Kennedy. I'm in line to vote.
[00:00:27] Speaker C: Someday you'll find it, the voting connection. And it's here. You found it.
[00:00:32] Speaker B: You need to vote. Oh, my God. Oh, you need to vote. Vote, vote, vote, vote, vote, vote, vote. It's the most important election of your life. It's the most important election of our lives.
[00:00:42] Speaker C: This election, which will be, I do truly believe, the most important election of our lifetime.
[00:00:48] Speaker A: This is the most important election of our lifetime.
[00:00:51] Speaker C: This is the most important election.
[00:00:54] Speaker B: Don't you you hear that?
This is the most important election in our lifetime.
[00:00:59] Speaker A: I certainly think it's the most important election in my life now.
This is the most important election of our times.
Politicians say every time. This is the most important election. This one's really that important.
[00:01:11] Speaker B: I voted for Nader. I voted for Nader.
[00:01:14] Speaker C: I voted for Kermit. Green Party.
[00:01:16] Speaker B: Woo. Oh, damn.
Your host, Kennedy Cooper.
[00:01:23] Speaker C: Welcome to the most important election of our lives.
With me, as always, is my co host, somehow a real statistician, Andrew Fields.
[00:01:31] Speaker B: I would like to welcome all of you to the podcast where deep down war all standard deviants.
[00:01:37] Speaker C: Oh, for yourself.
[00:01:40] Speaker B: Fair enough.
[00:01:43] Speaker C: We've got a guest today, a very special guest. A. A Muppets archivist.
[00:01:49] Speaker A: A.
I appreciate your. Very careful. You're very careful.
[00:01:55] Speaker B: Did you say Muppet Anarchist. Yeah,
[00:02:00] Speaker C: anarchist. I think that's what I wrote.
[00:02:02] Speaker A: Listen, listen,
[00:02:05] Speaker C: we've got. We've got a. An. A wonderful poster. An expert on all things Muppets. So excited to have here today, Eka Petunia. Hello.
[00:02:17] Speaker A: Hi, I'm Becca Petunia. And I do just want to say real quick, it seems very appropriate because to my left, I'm looking at it right now, you can't see because this is an audio medium, but I have a giant button on one of my shelves that has a picture of Kermit holding an American flag. And it says, wouldn't you rat. Excuse me? And it says, wouldn't you really rather vote for Kermit? Oh, yeah, I can. I can.
I can post a picture of it.
[00:02:47] Speaker B: Yeah, I can actually see it with my.
With my stand. I'm using my stand power and I could see that gives me Access to anything voting related. And I could see that. Kermit.
[00:02:59] Speaker A: I had a. I had a piggy one as well that said something like, vote Piggy for the first female president. But I don't know where it is.
It may have gotten lost in the mood.
[00:03:10] Speaker B: This is a very sad, depressing metaphor. That is a sad, depressing metaphor. Metaphor.
[00:03:16] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm with her.
[00:03:18] Speaker B: Well, yeah, I'm with her.
[00:03:19] Speaker A: I guess I'm supposed to introduce myself properly and not just tell you, yes, you're also.
[00:03:25] Speaker C: You're also a podcaster. You're an educator. You're just an all around interesting person. What do you want to say, though?
[00:03:31] Speaker B: I.
[00:03:32] Speaker C: You probably have better things to say than I can about X men, the Muppets, etc.
[00:03:37] Speaker A: Kennedy. Kennedy. Maybe you assume too much about me, but I will say my name is Becca Petunia. Pronouns she, her, like they've said in my normal day job.
I am a.
I am an educator. I am a teacher.
But most people on the Internet know me as a.
A writer and podcaster with the website toughpigs.com.
tough Pigs is a website for Muppet fans who grew up.
We are a 25 year old muppet fan site devoted to taking the Muppets maybe a little too seriously.
And you know, your. Your editor, Ella knows me because I also host another podcast called Here Comes Tomorrow, about Grant Morrison's X Men run.
That Ella is so kind to edit. And by so kind, I mean we pay her.
But useful.
But yeah, I'm a lifelong Muppet fan. I also host some Muppet podcasts, including the very popular Prairie Dawn Companion podcast about the Muppets and feminism.
And I also just. I don't know. I'm here, I'm queer, Get used to it.
[00:05:08] Speaker B: Okay, done.
[00:05:09] Speaker C: We love all that.
So.
I love the Muppets. Maybe not as much as you, but I was so excited that you wanted to talk about this with us. Of course.
Can I ask what. What made you fall in love with the Muppets? Yeah.
[00:05:25] Speaker A: You know, this is a story I've told a lot, but the honest answer is like, you know, how. So you know how it is with like, cishet people.
[00:05:35] Speaker B: Yeah, I do. I'm so sorry, by the way. I'm so sorry.
[00:05:38] Speaker A: Yeah, no, it's okay. It's okay. Listen, listen, listen. Nobody's perfect.
[00:05:44] Speaker B: Okay. Thank you.
[00:05:46] Speaker A: But like, where if. If your dad is like, really into like the Mets, you're kind of just grow up and you're like, I'm into the Mets. I guess I love the Mets. Because that's just the team that was always around my house.
My dad is an old school Muppet fan. Like, he used to love them even before the Muppet show and Sesame street, just when they used to appear on, like, Ed Sullivan and Johnny Carson.
And it was always, like. It was always, like, his absolute favorite, favorite thing. So I just grew up in a house where the Muppets were, like, as pretty present as Oxygen.
My first word was Oscar.
My. My second. My second word was Grover.
[00:06:46] Speaker C: My.
[00:06:47] Speaker A: My. My childhood blanket had the, like, my. My. One of my baby blankets had the Muppet show gang on it.
Kermit and Piggy and Gonzo.
I. It was just like. It was. It was a sort of, like, bygone conclusion. Foregone conclusion. That's the word I meant. I teach English. A foregone conclusion that I would like the Muppets. And then it's just something that I,
[00:07:12] Speaker B: as a mathematician, I would like to say, judging by this, it's not a foregone conclusion. It's a five gone conclusion.
[00:07:18] Speaker A: Whoa.
Listen, listen. That joke. That joke isn't half bad. It's all bad.
[00:07:26] Speaker B: It's all bad.
Yeah, that's fair. Continue. I'm sorry for interrupting you.
[00:07:31] Speaker A: No, and then I just kind of stuck with it. You know, I discovered the online. The online Muppet fan community, which. God is such a terrible thing to say. But it was a actually very positive fandom.
At least maybe at the time. No, I'm kidding. It's still a very positive fandom. And it just found, like, felt like a place where. Where I kind of fit in. So then it was just, all right, it's time to really, like, the Muppets are as present as oxygen. We can do better. They can be as present as nitrogen. Nitrogen is. I got a higher concentration in the Earth's atmosphere, so. So maybe the Muppets are at nitrogen level. You guys can't see me. I'm reporting in from my home office, which is basically entirely covered in old Muppet art and old Muppet toys and figures and puppets and. Yeah, it's. I don't know. I'm here. But the thing that I want to be very clear is I promise to all of you that I'm relatively normal. Like, this is something I always need to qualify, because whenever people.
Whenever people find out that I have, like, you know, autistic total recall of everything the Muppets did, and do people worry that, like, I can't interact in society or hold a conversation, and I just want to say I can do Both of those things.
And also.
And also I host a podcast about Sesame street in the 1970s.
[00:09:06] Speaker B: Right, right. Yes. All those people that make those assumptions about you, you just want to give them a Big Bird.
[00:09:15] Speaker C: You know what? You can. I bet you can hold a conversation in normal society and pat your head and rub your tummy all at once.
[00:09:24] Speaker A: I probably could.
[00:09:26] Speaker B: That's not a normal thing to do, Kennedy, while talking to somebody, by the way. That's not a normal thing. I know from personal experience. I get looks when I do it.
[00:09:34] Speaker C: It's what I do. It's how I make friends.
[00:09:38] Speaker B: Oh, my God. It must be because you have naturally pink hair or something.
[00:09:42] Speaker A: Well, I can't. I can't see you guys right now, so I'm just assuming that that's what you're doing.
[00:09:47] Speaker C: Yeah, I'm patting my head and rubbing my tummy.
[00:09:49] Speaker B: Hey, I have a skill issue. I have a skill issue.
[00:09:53] Speaker C: I knew it.
[00:09:54] Speaker B: I have a skill issue.
[00:09:55] Speaker C: I knew you couldn't fucking do it.
[00:09:57] Speaker B: I have a fucking skill issue. Okay, continue.
[00:10:02] Speaker C: Well, I think all this is just so wonderful.
[00:10:04] Speaker A: I.
[00:10:05] Speaker C: The Muppets are such an important cultural icon, in my opinion.
So many important works and a few questionable works that we love anyway.
[00:10:17] Speaker A: The thing about being a fan of anything is accepting that you absolutely will hate more of it than you love.
[00:10:24] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:10:25] Speaker B: Yeah.
What? My most questionable trait, my most conservative based trait is I fucking love Sam the Eagle. One of my top theme Muppets.
[00:10:35] Speaker A: Very problematic.
Sam the Eagle. Sam the Eagle is great. And part of it is. I don't think it's really a conservative trait because I think Sam the Eagle exists as a way to sort of satire and lampoon those sort of. Those sort of impulses.
I have a. You know, this is from. This is from Walt Disney World. Recently, I didn't go, but I had a friend go and buy it for me. It's a, like Sam the Eagle cup. It looks like Sam the Eagle.
[00:11:07] Speaker B: Oh, my God.
[00:11:08] Speaker A: And it's sitting right here on my desk to the right of me.
[00:11:14] Speaker C: Oh, my God.
[00:11:15] Speaker B: I'm using my stand powers to look at it right now, and it's glorious.
[00:11:19] Speaker A: So I love the Muppets.
I love so much of them. I think they are a really important part of our culture. And also, you know, this is a great time to be talking about the Muppets, because the. The Muppet show special, slash, hopefully pilot, you know, just. Just premiered like a week and a half ago.
[00:11:40] Speaker C: It'll be more like 4 weeks ago by the time this comes out, because we have a pretty long run time on recording, but you heard it here, folks.
Still relatively new at the time that
[00:11:51] Speaker A: you'll hear this, and then the episode
[00:11:53] Speaker B: gets released 10 years from now.
Production issues.
[00:12:00] Speaker C: So, you know, I. I do love the Muppets quite a bit, but I've always noticed that there seem to be certain.
Perhaps we could use the word contradictions within the Muppet universe as it relates to politics in particular.
[00:12:19] Speaker A: Sure. You know, it's not a very, like, you know, how J.R.R. tolkien, like, crafts such a believable, like, world, all of those things.
I don't think that was a priority of Jim Henson.
[00:12:35] Speaker C: No, I don't think so.
So, you know, the. The longer that a franchise runs, the more that these sorts of things start to inevitably show up, I think.
And the Muppets have been around for a very long time. Many decades, half a century so.
[00:12:57] Speaker A: It's 71 years this year.
[00:12:59] Speaker C: Yeah. That's a lot of history, a lot of content.
And therefore, you know, within all that content, there's confusing things to be considered, I think. And what, at the end of the day, what I think about a lot when I think about the Muppets, is how being a human in the universe of the Muppets seems bad.
Allow me to elaborate.
So, in the. In the universe of the Muppets, in any of the Muppet movies or shows, the Muppets themselves are quite supernatural. They do not really bow to the whims of human need.
They do not seem to need health care in general, unless it's for a bit.
They can survive almost any conditions indefinitely, it would seem.
But the humans in their world just basically live by human rules. And occasionally. This is important to the plot of some Muppet media, I think, most notably in my mind, Muppets Treasure island, where it is a truly important element of the plot that the humans have needs and the Muppets do not. So, you know, if you're a human in Muppet World, you need health care, you've got to pay rent, you've got to do, you know, deal with all of these regular human things, but around you are a certain number of these supernatural beings that can just kind of fuck your life up, and yet they're not so powerful or omniscient that you can't have any sort of sway over them. They're not truly gods per se, they just have sort of the qualities of an immortal being to some extent.
[00:14:51] Speaker A: Is that.
[00:14:51] Speaker C: Does that feel somewhat accurate to you?
How does that. How does. How do these statements sit with you
[00:14:58] Speaker A: so far, Becca, you know, I think I can make it a little more confusing for you.
[00:15:06] Speaker B: Continue.
[00:15:07] Speaker A: Because, you know, as is sort of like. I feel like this is sort of made the most clear In Jason Siegel's 2011 movie The Muppets, which is not confusingly titled at all.
[00:15:21] Speaker C: Not at all.
[00:15:22] Speaker A: Yeah. There's also, from four years later, a sitcom called the Muppets.
But I think it's important to realize that there are humans, right? There are humans and there are Muppets, but some Muppets are human Muppets.
[00:15:38] Speaker C: Oh, yes.
[00:15:40] Speaker A: And I think, you know, and. And the thing, too, about human Muppets is we've got different levels also of what makes a Muppet a human Muppet.
So, like, take Statler and Waldorf, right? Yeah, no, please take them, because they don't want to be here.
Thank you. Thank you. But Staller and Waldorf look like basically just very stylized people. They have a human skin tone. They have, you know, a white person skin tone. They have the normal features that you would expect. Expect a human man to have, but they're. They are puppets. They're Muppets.
Although they also hate the Muppets, even though they are Muppets, because the Muppets are different than Muppets.
But then you've got something like Bert and Ernie, Right? And Bert and Ernie are also humans and Muppets, but not the Muppets. They're just Muppets.
Yeah, but Bert and Ernie are humans. But Bert and Ernie don't. Don't really look anything like humans. We just assume they're humans, and then we run into things like doctor Teeth and the Electric Mayhem or Scooter or Bunsen and Beaker, where it's like, I guess they're humans.
So the first thing about being a human in the Muppet world is you kind of have to know what. What kind of human you are.
Right. Because. Because it also seems a little like in. In Jason Siegel's the Muppets, that deciding to be a Muppet or a human is a choice you can make.
[00:17:25] Speaker C: Elaborate on that a little more. Elaborate on that a little more.
[00:17:28] Speaker B: I mean, there is a song, Am I a Man or Am I a Muppet? Is that what you're going with?
[00:17:33] Speaker A: Correct. Because the whole thing is like Walter the Muppet, Right. Who is, of course, a Muppet who becomes part of the Muppets and also is just kind of like, he's a human, but also a Muppet who becomes part of the Muppets but doesn't start the movie. As part of the Muppets, he is like, am I a man or am I a Muppet? And then he stares at his reflection, who is, of course, Sheldon from the Big Bang Theory.
And he needs to make. Yeah. Like you do. And he needs to make the decision that he is a Muppet. Right.
[00:18:18] Speaker B: Yeah. There's the human who makes the decision. Not that he's not a Muppet, if I recall correctly.
[00:18:24] Speaker A: Correct.
Yeah, listen, if he's a man, he thinks he's a Muppet of a man. But so all of this to say, I think in a lot of ways it sucks to be a, to be a non puppet human in the world of the Muppets for the reasons that you've listed. Because the Muppets, the Muppets are effectively like cartoon characters, right? I mean, they're not. Because they, they're, they're real. Although they're not really, you know what I mean? But, you know, so that means that like, yes, Gonzo can get shot out of a cannon and he's going to be there next week. Right? That's, that's always how it goes, right? Crazy Harry has blown up basically every single character on the Muppet Show. But here's where I question your, your, your theory that it would suck to be a human in the Muppet World. And I mean a non puppet human, not a, like Bert and Ernie human. Right?
Because the humans are always the people who are in charge and hold all of the power in the Muppet World.
[00:19:35] Speaker C: Sure. There don't seem to be enough of the Muppets. And they're not truly, like I said, they don't really have what I would describe as godlike powers, but they have the qualities of an immortal being is how I think of it.
[00:19:48] Speaker A: But it doesn't seem to, it doesn't seem to actually benefit them, right? Because like, if you think about the Muppet Movie, right, the Muppets that we meet are all kind of like down on their luck in many ways, and they only gain power through signing the standard rich and famous contract given to them by a human being played by Orson Welles.
[00:20:13] Speaker C: See, now, okay, so this is where we should get into the voting segment of the show, because these are the questions we're hoping to come to conclusions on today.
Ultimately is where exactly do the Muppets stand within society? They, in some ways are powerful, in some ways are not. It is confusing at times. They even get in trouble with human law, although it doesn't really stick that well.
And I wonder if there's some reasons for that. That we may discover. So here's my first. I kind of have a series.
[00:20:51] Speaker B: Let's officially step into the voting.
[00:20:53] Speaker C: Oh, yes, let's step into the voting. Bo.
If you're not in line, get in line.
And if you are in line, stay in line.
[00:21:01] Speaker B: If you are in line, stay in line. But get in as many lines as possible at the same time.
[00:21:06] Speaker C: Yeah, usually that's just one for most people, but be ambitious. So here's my. Here are my questions. First, are the Muppets citizens of any nation?
[00:21:18] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:21:19] Speaker C: Go on.
[00:21:20] Speaker A: The Muppets are citizens of the nations where they live.
[00:21:24] Speaker C: Is this established, though? Well, because they seem to have a certain amount of freedom of movement and things.
[00:21:31] Speaker A: Okay, so if we can take my beloved Sesame Street. Right.
Sesame street is canonically in Manhattan.
That is not a question.
[00:21:42] Speaker C: Right.
[00:21:43] Speaker A: So are you just suggesting that the US Constitution doesn't permit Muppets to be citizens?
[00:21:52] Speaker C: I'm just wondering if they have some kind of.
[00:21:54] Speaker B: Some kind of loophole in the 14th amendment.
[00:21:58] Speaker C: Yeah, some kind of. Some kind of loophole or citizenship that actually goes beyond what a lot of other people get. Because, again, the Muppets seem to have, like, from at least some of the media, we've seen relatively total freedom of movement.
[00:22:13] Speaker B: Sure. What they do. Damn, the eagle is just cosplaying. As an American,
[00:22:20] Speaker A: I. I think it's like. I think it's like. I mean, again, that's such a great question.
That's such a great question, because I know for a fact that the Muppets are like, okay, so, like, Kermit the Frog is from a swamp in the southern United States.
That's been pretty consistent.
[00:22:41] Speaker C: Yes, that is pretty consistent.
[00:22:43] Speaker A: Pepe the king prawn is from the ocean off the coast of Madrid. That's also pretty consistent. Okay, but do shrimps have to obey whatever Spain's laws are
[00:23:01] Speaker C: in general? No. But what if you're a talking shrimp with an unusual degree of sentience? I don't know. I don't know. It's confusing.
[00:23:11] Speaker A: Right. And that's when. When I'm confused, because my answer is. My answer is, I want to believe that the Muppets are citizens. And you know what? Because, again, I have a button over here that says, wouldn't you really rather vote for Kermit? And Kermit is born in the United states. He's over 35 years old.
Kermit is 71 this year. And listen, for a presidential candidate right now, that's pretty young.
[00:23:40] Speaker C: That's right.
[00:23:43] Speaker B: I think he should wait 10 years.
[00:23:48] Speaker A: So I want to believe that Kermit is a US Citizen or a US Resident, like a legal resident. I don't believe that citizenship is. You know, again, that gets complicated. And I'm not. Maybe I am here to get complicated into whether citizenship or permanent residential. No, he's a citizen. He was born in America.
[00:24:09] Speaker B: He.
[00:24:09] Speaker A: He was born in America. He lives in America. He's never committed or permitted or committed even a major. A major crime that would result in him losing his citizenship.
[00:24:22] Speaker C: These are all fair points so far.
[00:24:24] Speaker A: He was framed for a crime that got him thrown into a Russian Gulag, but presumably, once his name was cleared, he was. He was. He was free to go.
[00:24:36] Speaker C: What are the implications of that Russian Gulag situation, by the way? Does that. Does that.
That imply that Russia is maybe more restrictive towards Muppets?
[00:24:47] Speaker A: Well, Kermit only goes into the Russian Gulag because he's mistaken for Constantine. And Constantine, number one, is Russian, Right. Which is why he's. He's the. The subject to Russian law.
And number two is the most dangerous frog in the world.
[00:25:07] Speaker C: That is true.
[00:25:10] Speaker A: Which, you know, growing up, I always thought it was the poison arrow frog, but in 2014, I learned otherwise.
I feel like I'm not getting any closer to answering your question. Kermit is a citizen.
[00:25:24] Speaker C: We think the Swedish Chef is here on, like, a work visa or.
[00:25:29] Speaker A: No, I. So the Swedish Chef. It's important to realize that canonically, the Swedish Chef is not speaking Swedish.
[00:25:38] Speaker C: We.
[00:25:38] Speaker A: We as the audience know that the Swedish Chef is not speaking Swedish. Right? Because we. We know this. But canonically, for whatever passes as canon for the Muppets. And let me tell you something, the armadillo in the tutu is canon. But anyway, I. For whatever passes is canon for the Muppets.
The Swedish Chef's language has been referred to as mock Swedish.
So I'm not convinced that the Swedish Chef is actually from Sweden.
[00:26:10] Speaker B: He's from Mock Sweden. Right.
[00:26:12] Speaker A: He's from Mock Sweden.
So I guess your question is, is the Swedish Chef in from Mock Sweden?
Which is difficult to say without making it sound like Mock Swedish Sweden, which I guess would be a zero cost artifact that you could tap for one Swedish mana.
Someone at home is laughing at that joke right now.
[00:26:35] Speaker C: I think I can actually think of one or two listeners that might.
[00:26:41] Speaker A: I think.
I think the thing is, listen, I'm a trans woman. Of course I have all of these magic, the Gathering magic, the Gathering jokes in my back pocket. Come on.
[00:26:53] Speaker C: Sorry. I'm not binary. I play Pokemon.
[00:26:56] Speaker A: I also play Pokemon.
Kennedy. Kennedy. I'm a trans woman, so I have to play Magic the Gathering, but I'm autistic, so I have to play Pokemon. Oh. Oh.
[00:27:09] Speaker C: Why would. Why are you calling me out like this on air?
[00:27:12] Speaker B: Hey, I also play Pokemon.
[00:27:15] Speaker A: No comment.
The Swedish Chef.
You know, I think the Muppets are fast and loose with those work papers situation, though.
[00:27:25] Speaker C: I do wonder about that. It seems like they're just kind of.
[00:27:28] Speaker A: Because they're also kind of fast, and they're also kind of fast and loose with work.
[00:27:33] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:27:33] Speaker C: Yeah. Okay.
[00:27:36] Speaker A: Am I answering your questions? Like, am I doing okay here?
[00:27:40] Speaker C: This is amazing so far. I'm not. If I'm just. I have. I have a lot to consider right now.
[00:27:47] Speaker A: I do. Can I just. Can I just put aside that? Just. Just. Just to shout out more. More random facts?
[00:27:53] Speaker C: Yeah, go for it.
[00:27:55] Speaker A: My. My more random facts is like, you know, just in case you're wondering, most of the Muppet monsters are from a place called Frackle Island.
So the question remains, is Frackle island one of our allies or not? But I'm not sure. And honestly, in 2026, we've cut ties with so many nations that maybe if Frackle island was one of our allies before, it isn't now.
[00:28:22] Speaker B: Yeah, that's what I'm thinking.
[00:28:23] Speaker C: Possible. But also, maybe it's become an even more important ally than ever. You know, maybe Frackles in the five eyes. Have we considered that?
[00:28:34] Speaker A: I don't know. I don't know. I gotta. I gotta ask him next time I see him.
[00:28:40] Speaker C: They have intelligence sharing with Britain, Australia and the US that's where we're gonna start with the questioning.
Can Muppets. Do Muppets have a full right to vote? Was there, like, a Muppet civil rights struggle of some kind, do you think, or.
[00:28:58] Speaker A: Great question.
So this is when we also get into the fact that Muppets definitely have races.
[00:29:04] Speaker C: Yes, yes, yes.
[00:29:06] Speaker A: So, like, Clifford the Muppet is purple, but Clifford the Muppet is unquestionably black, Right?
[00:29:13] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:29:14] Speaker A: They.
[00:29:15] Speaker B: Sesame street uploaded a video during the 2020 Black Life Matters protest where Elmo's dad explains to Elmo why he's out protesting. Because some.
Some monsters get treated differently based off of the color of their fur, like, race. That racism is canon.
[00:29:36] Speaker A: Yeah. And I do want to say I drew fan art of that. Of that particular video because it was 2020, and we were all coping in very strange ways.
[00:29:46] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:29:47] Speaker A: So it's unquestionable that there was a point in history where, let's say, like, okay, Chances are, like, there was a point in history where certainly not all Muppets could vote, because if we weren't letting black non puppet humans vote, then we certainly weren't letting, let's say Roosevelt Franklin's, you know, Roosevelt Franklin's mom probably was upheld to some sort of like poll polling issue because it would have been pre1950.
So the point is, yes, civil rights have affected some Muppets. The question is, has civil rights affected all Muppets?
And I think no, because I think it all comes down to Statler and Waldorf are definitely old, rich and white. And I find it hard to believe that they would have suffered at any point in history.
[00:30:43] Speaker C: They don't give the attitude of they ever had.
[00:30:47] Speaker B: Oh, my God.
[00:30:48] Speaker A: They.
[00:30:48] Speaker B: Oh, my God. They probably have said some very. Made some very questionable jokes in the civil rights era. Oh, no.
[00:30:58] Speaker A: I mean, I don't know. Because then maybe they were plugged into the civil rights era because they are gay. Right? We can agree on that.
[00:31:06] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:31:07] Speaker C: But we know that some CIS white gay men have bad politics.
[00:31:11] Speaker A: Oh, no, you are, you are so right. I'm, I'm right there with you. I. Yeah, yeah, no, you're right.
[00:31:17] Speaker C: They definitely give that attitude of like, we've got no children, we both make $250,000 plus a year each, and we've never struggled for, for anything, but we managed to feel oppressed about non issues.
[00:31:39] Speaker B: Yeah, the tracks.
[00:31:40] Speaker A: All right.
[00:31:41] Speaker C: But they do, they do give that pretty hard. Anyway.
[00:31:44] Speaker A: And, and also, let me be clear, like, I don't think, like, it bothers me that the black Muppets were ever subject to, like, the Jim Crow laws. That's. Yeah, that's a part of history that I, I think it's important to acknowledge. I think we, we can't move on from our history without acknowledging our history.
But I, I really think that all Muppets should be equal.
And at least within the Muppet universe, I certainly think they all should be equal to, to all humans.
And in our universe, I think that they are made of foam. And mostly a special material called Anton Fleece.
[00:32:27] Speaker C: That's fair.
[00:32:28] Speaker A: Is it Anton or Antron Fleece? I only ever see it written down.
[00:32:32] Speaker B: Anton sounds cooler.
[00:32:34] Speaker A: Someone at someone. Someone at home is yelling at me. If you weren't laughing at the mock Swedish joke, then maybe you're laughing at this one.
[00:32:44] Speaker C: Is Sesame street an autonomous zone?
[00:32:47] Speaker A: No, I can, I can conclusively not to like. No, but all of the things you're saying, but Sesame. Sesame street is Unquestionably, Literally. Literally part of New York City.
[00:33:00] Speaker C: But something could be a part of a city and be an autonomous zone.
[00:33:04] Speaker A: Right, But New York City isn't giving an autonomous zone state to one block.
[00:33:10] Speaker B: I don't know. They have a communist running New York City now who's doing terrifying things like giving more public bathrooms and trying to make it easier to operate a business. Ooh, you never know. What's on, Mamdani?
[00:33:26] Speaker A: Yeah, no, I mean, again, I just. I just know that, like, I'm pretty sure there was an episode where Oscar runs for mayor of New York.
[00:33:35] Speaker C: That would make sense, actually.
[00:33:37] Speaker A: Yeah. He was mad about trash pickup.
[00:33:39] Speaker B: Oh, my God. So Eric Adams was like his dream candidate.
Yes.
[00:33:46] Speaker A: Okay, so why would you say something so true and yet so brave? So, okay, so I have. I have a list.
And by I have a list, I mean I have the Muppet Wiki open in another tab. And on.
On May 5, 1981, during season 12 of Sesame street, episode 1562 is described as Oscar runs for mayor and Muppet Wiki explains the first scene here, right? Oscar pens a letter regarding the city trash pickup. As the trash was collected before he had a chance to rummage through it, he isn't sure who it should be addressed to. When Gordon says that the mayor is the one in charge of the city, Oscar learns about the election process and then decides right then and there to run for mayor of New York City and promises to create a city even dirtier than before.
So.
[00:34:48] Speaker B: Well, so he hated Eric Adams. He hated.
[00:34:54] Speaker A: So it's worth noting, no one seems to tell Oscar that he can't run for mayor.
[00:35:01] Speaker B: He.
[00:35:01] Speaker A: He doesn't. He doesn't.
[00:35:04] Speaker C: Okay, this, this is great because I was going to ask a little later on anyway about the legitimacy of Big Bird's presidential run. So we're kind of getting.
[00:35:17] Speaker A: Great question because Big Bird, do you guys know about the. The. The lost Muppet Sesame street movie that never filmed Big Bird as president?
[00:35:26] Speaker C: No.
[00:35:27] Speaker A: Okay, I'm gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna share a link because a friend, some friends of mine, did have access to the script at one point and wrote a really detailed, like, write up of this, this script. But there was going to be a movie where Big Bird was elected president and basically the entire movie was Big Bird learning that government is hard while, like, lobbyist groups try to get him to do evil.
[00:35:58] Speaker C: Holy shit.
[00:36:01] Speaker A: I mean, it never got filmed, but it did. A full script was written. You can find it on Muppet Wiki. Not the script, but a Summary. And again, I'm sorry to apply like logic to some of your questions and citations.
[00:36:19] Speaker C: Please stop apologizing. This is what the show's for.
[00:36:21] Speaker A: Okay, so here we go. Big Bird goes to Washington. Proposed in 1982. And it is worth noting that they did work out which each character's friend, which each of the characters role in Big Bird's cabinet would be.
So if you're wondering who would be the Secretary of. Who would be the Secretary of State. Bert.
[00:36:44] Speaker B: Yeah, that makes sense. All right. Yeah, that's reasonable.
[00:36:47] Speaker A: Which of course means that the Secretary of Defense is Ernie, because those are very linked, linked roles.
[00:36:53] Speaker C: I don't approve of that choice, but it does make sense.
[00:36:58] Speaker B: Look, look, Bert, they changed the name. I'm now the Secretary of War. Isn't that neat?
[00:37:03] Speaker A: Bert, Bert, Bert. I just don't understand what allies are for. Bert. It just seems like we should be able to handle all of our problems on our own. Bert.
Luis is Secretary of Treasury. Olivia, who was Gordon's sister, who appeared in the 80s, was Secretary of the Interior. Mr. Hooper, Secretary of Commerce. Okay, he runs a store. That makes sense.
[00:37:23] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:37:24] Speaker A: Susan, Secretary of Education. Sure, put the woman in charge of that. Oscar the Grouch as Secretary of hud.
Cookie Monster.
Cookie Monster, Secretary of Cookie.
Maria. Maria, Secretary of Human Services.
David, who was an 80s character, was the Attorney General. Gordon was Chief of Staff.
Harry Monster was chief of Protocol. Count was head of OMB.
And of course Mr. Snuffleuppagus was head of the CIA. And Grover was the press secretary. There's a whole write up of this. There's a whole write up of this. Grover had a whole press secretary song.
[00:38:08] Speaker C: Oh my God, we need that press secretary song.
Being deprived.
[00:38:14] Speaker A: I'm going to post this link right here in. In. In the chat.
[00:38:19] Speaker C: Put this in the show notes.
[00:38:20] Speaker A: Yeah, it's a long.
I mean, yes, Big Bird did run for President in episode 7, 9, 7. Linked at the bottom of this wiki page.
But this, this movie could have been real. And you know what? If you ever doubted that we lived in a fallen world, now you know for a fact. Because you never got to see Herbert Birds Foot and Grover perform a duet of chewing the press conference rag.
[00:38:49] Speaker C: Oh my God.
[00:38:51] Speaker B: This is what they took from us.
[00:38:53] Speaker C: This is what they took from us. Actually, though, I'm so upset right now,
[00:38:58] Speaker A: you don't get to. You don't get to hear George C. Scott and his evil henchmen sing what'll we do if piece breaks out about how they need to make sure that Big Bird doesn't. Doesn't end any wars. Holy shit.
[00:39:16] Speaker B: Oh, this is where the timeline split. Kennedy has this joke where the timeline went wrong because my dad got me a Genesis instead of a Super Nintendo. But no, it was when this didn't get published, which led to me getting to the Genesis.
If this movie was released, the timeline would be fine.
They took this from us.
[00:39:41] Speaker C: Took this from us.
Yeah, no, I'm, I'm. I'm for real upset learning about. Learn the more I learn about this.
[00:39:49] Speaker A: So this movie never got made, but this does mean that at least at one point it was very clear that Sesame street was a part of the United States. States.
[00:40:00] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:40:01] Speaker C: Yeah. So clearly Big Bird's candidacy was legitimate,
[00:40:05] Speaker A: although he is 6 years old.
[00:40:07] Speaker B: Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it.
[00:40:11] Speaker C: So is our current president. I think so.
I think it's fine.
[00:40:17] Speaker B: All right.
[00:40:19] Speaker A: Wow.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry to. To again, have derailed. Derailed your plans.
[00:40:26] Speaker C: No, it's incredible.
Was Sam the Eagle the first Muppet to go to law school?
[00:40:33] Speaker A: Great question.
[00:40:34] Speaker C: Would there. Was there any sort of, like, DEI aspect to it, like back, like, conservative backlash against having eagle puppet in the school?
[00:40:48] Speaker B: So that would be just bullshit.
Di. For the most American creature that has
[00:40:53] Speaker A: ever lived, I think it's important that if that's true. If that's true, which I know I should be answering your question and not just answering it with a if that's true.
[00:41:06] Speaker B: Big of true. Kennedy big if true.
[00:41:08] Speaker A: But if that. If that's true, Sam the Eagle absolutely is the world's biggest pick. Me. I've never been sure of anything in my life. Then that Sam the Eagle is the Absolutely. Absolutely. Out here, like, out here, like.
Well, you see, I got into law school. I got into law school the right way. Unlike. Unlike all of you hooligans.
[00:41:37] Speaker B: Incredible.
[00:41:40] Speaker C: Sam the Eagle's definitely a never Trump Republican, right?
[00:41:43] Speaker A: Yeah.
I mean, I don't know, because if he is to pick me up in the Muppets 2011, he. He does. He does seem to have a like Fox News esque TV show called Everything is Terrible with Sam the Eagle. So I don't know for a fact if he is. I think he liked Trump for a while and I think eventually he was like, you know, I think all the sex civilians, politics or something. I think the civilization sex scandals really pushed Sam the Eagle over the edge.
[00:42:21] Speaker B: Rub them by the. What?
[00:42:23] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I sincerely hope that's referring to a cat.
[00:42:31] Speaker C: Editor's note. It was not.
It Did. What about Kermit and journalism school? Just quickly. Just.
[00:42:41] Speaker A: Did.
[00:42:41] Speaker B: Did.
[00:42:41] Speaker C: Did. Did Kermit really go to journalism school?
[00:42:44] Speaker A: Oh, almost definitely not, because Kermit is a terrible reporter.
[00:42:48] Speaker C: Okay, fair enough.
[00:42:51] Speaker A: You know, Kermit. Kermit. I don't necessarily know if Kermit is a DEI hire, but Kermit, absolutely. Like, Kermit got where he is because of his charisma more than his skill. Kermit is. Kermit is kind of like. Kermit is kind of like a blonde woman on Fox News.
Not necessarily the best. Not necessarily the best journalist in the world, but audiences like to watch him.
[00:43:22] Speaker C: We do like to watch him.
[00:43:24] Speaker A: No disrespect. No disrespect. Some of my best friends are blonde women.
[00:43:30] Speaker C: The shady guy that was selling Ernie
[00:43:33] Speaker A: counterfeit O's, Lefty the salesman. I have. I have a. I have a Lefty toy behind me, but you can't. You can't see it.
[00:43:42] Speaker B: Wait, is it to your left or is it to your right?
[00:43:45] Speaker A: It's actually to my. My left. Your right.
[00:43:48] Speaker B: Okay, okay, okay. So you know what? That's fair.
[00:43:51] Speaker A: That's fair.
[00:43:52] Speaker B: It's to your left. That's all that matters.
[00:43:55] Speaker A: Okay, so you were saying Lefty, the salesman who is on my left. He did.
[00:43:59] Speaker C: Salesman.
Was he. Is he ever caught or prosecuted in any way? Can any court prosecute him?
[00:44:07] Speaker A: I mean, look, did he do anything illegal?
[00:44:11] Speaker C: Oh.
[00:44:12] Speaker B: I mean, why was he being so shifty? Like, it's not just the O's, it's the eight. It's. Well, there was that time he sold Ernie some air. Like, come on, that's something.
[00:44:23] Speaker A: Yeah, I think. I think. Are you referring to the time that he sold Ernie an invisible ice cream cone?
[00:44:30] Speaker B: That, too. There was one time where he showed a bottle and it's like, I'm not selling the bottle. I'm selling what's inside the bottle.
[00:44:36] Speaker A: Yes, yes, of course. Of course. Well, is that a scam, though?
He did there. Was there. Was there or was there not air inside the bottle?
[00:44:46] Speaker B: I was air inside the bottle.
[00:44:49] Speaker A: I think. I think Lefty is innocent.
[00:44:55] Speaker C: Lefty is innocent. You heard it here, folks.
[00:44:57] Speaker B: But what about that? But look, eights were banned when he was selling them on the streets, and
[00:45:04] Speaker A: I think I have no option for that.
I think.
I think now that the number eight is legal, that charge should no longer hold.
[00:45:15] Speaker C: Retroactive.
[00:45:16] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, fine. I mean. I mean, hasn't that been. It's such a. Been such a. It's been such a. You know, again, obviously, with real World more important than this Issues like marijuana legalization. You know, should we still hold people in jail who are, you know, in there because of marijuana charges from before marijuana was legalized? Personally, I think no.
And if that's true, then I have to assume that even if eights were illegal, they're not illegal now.
[00:45:48] Speaker B: Fine, fine.
[00:45:50] Speaker A: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Are you guys just. Are you guys just out here persecuting lefties?
Because. Because let me tell you something. I know.
[00:45:59] Speaker C: No, listen, listen. We're very old school around here. It's a little 12th century. On this podcast,
[00:46:08] Speaker B: we're always.
[00:46:09] Speaker A: I just. I just mean, like. I just mean, like.
I know, I know that the president is confident that the left is a terrorist group, but that doesn't mean that you need to persecute someone just because his name has the word left.
[00:46:24] Speaker C: Oh, no, I was going. I. I'm against left handed people.
[00:46:28] Speaker A: Oh, okay. Okay. Well, I got. Got bad news for you about the Muppets then.
[00:46:35] Speaker C: Terrible muppets.
[00:46:37] Speaker A: 99% of muppets are left handed. Pay attention. Pay attention the next time you're watching something with the Muppets in it.
[00:46:44] Speaker C: Messed up.
[00:46:45] Speaker B: So they were. So they had that discrimination going on back in the day.
[00:46:50] Speaker A: Yeah, in the 12th century.
[00:46:52] Speaker B: Yeah.
Anyway, let's continue.
[00:46:56] Speaker C: What did Kermit mean by it's not easy being green? It seems pretty easy to be green.
[00:47:01] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:47:02] Speaker A: Well, I could give you the honest answer or I could give you the joke answer. And I am on a joke podcast.
[00:47:09] Speaker C: Both answers are good.
[00:47:10] Speaker A: Do you want to say that? It is a civil rights metaphor, but I. I will also say that. Look, everything you just said about the Muppets potentially being a persecuted class who's being kept down by human beings who have less power than the Muppets in the, like, literal, physical sense, but more power in the societal sense. Everything you've said, everything you've said about that has indicated very clearly to me that it's not easy being green.
[00:47:45] Speaker B: You know what this podcast made me realize? Maybe I'm not a good person.
Yeah. Breaking news. I don't think I'm a good person. Voters at home. I am not a good person.
Do not trust me.
[00:47:58] Speaker C: Cis white male problematic. I don't know.
[00:48:02] Speaker B: Do not trust me. I am a bad person.
[00:48:05] Speaker A: Explains it. Explains why he's coming after the left. What can I say?
[00:48:09] Speaker B: Whoa.
Why I left the left because I hated the Muppets.
[00:48:16] Speaker C: I've got some easy stuff.
I've got something very, you know, fairly easy for the end here, which is, you know, we've been talking about how the Muppets maybe wouldn't have of the rights that we'd expect, or they might have had to fight for them the same as other groups in some instances, or there are some aspects to this, these power dynamics that are indeed complex.
With that in mind, let's assume that the Muppets do eventually find their way to political power and autonomy and agency of their own and have a Muppet delegation within Congress. Okay, what would be the most shocking thing, actually, what were you going to say? I want to hear.
[00:49:04] Speaker A: What I was going to say. Wasn't as soon as I started saying it, I realized it didn't work as a joke. So, I mean, look, that's not any better. Not any better than 90% of the jokes on this show.
[00:49:14] Speaker B: Yeah, but who needs a joke to work to tell it? Not me.
You
[00:49:22] Speaker C: will be the most shocking thing that the. The Muppet delegation of Congress would vote for. With the Bush strong arm the Muppets into invading Iraq, where would they. Where would they fall?
[00:49:34] Speaker A: I think the Muppets wouldn't want to invade Iraq. I think the Muppets are good. Inherently. Inherently very peaceful. Even though they engage in a lot of horrible cartoon violence. I think they're inherently very peaceful.
[00:49:49] Speaker B: And even though it's implied that if Kermit the Frog never existed, then there would be no 9, 11.
[00:49:55] Speaker A: Yes. And that. Listen, and that. That is true. That is true.
And even though it is. Even though it is canonical that Elmo's father and Rosita's father did both serve. Serve in Iraq.
[00:50:10] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:50:10] Speaker A: Or Afghanistan, I don't think they've ever said which. But served overseas for the U.S. army. But I think that the Muppets are kind of. The Muppets are kind of libertarians.
I think the Muppets would be controversial for repealing basically so many important laws, because the Muppets are, you know, so many of the Muppets are embodiments of chaos.
And I think that that. That aspect of chaos leads to them sort of wanting there to be fewer rules.
[00:50:48] Speaker C: Like, did sort of initially envision this thinking about the Muppets having a bit of a sovereign citizen vibe to them.
[00:50:56] Speaker A: The.
I mean, it's one of the things where it's. It's like. I'm not sure they're literally sovereign citizens. Like, again, I do think they're. They're. They are. They do have to obey the US laws, but they just don't. You know how some people just get away without obeying the US laws. Like, like everyone person.
[00:51:21] Speaker C: Like a. Like a guy whose emails we've been hearing about a lot.
[00:51:25] Speaker A: Oh, strong bad.
[00:51:27] Speaker C: Strong bad.
[00:51:28] Speaker A: I'm always hearing about his emails, but
[00:51:32] Speaker C: piles of email styles. That guy.
[00:51:34] Speaker B: Fun fact. Voters at home. Wario is in the Epstein files, but Waluigi is not with that information what you will.
[00:51:42] Speaker A: But it is true.
So I think the Muppets would absolutely like completely fuck up and repeal a bunch of laws that are absolutely extremely important and then realize retroactively that they did something terrible.
[00:52:00] Speaker C: Like the Muppets would be like, against like some common sense stuff like seatbelt laws.
[00:52:05] Speaker A: Yeah, exactly.
[00:52:07] Speaker B: Well, Fonzie's the one who proposes that repeal into law.
[00:52:12] Speaker A: Well, the Muppets do. Like, it's the thing also of like, sometimes I feel like the Muppets have trouble. Like, you know, a seatbelt would be dangerous for a Muppet because a Muppet is so small.
A seatbelt could be harmful and a Muppet would also be fine flying through the windshield. As you guys started this conversation by establishing still the Muppets would be like, I don't know why there needs to be seat belts.
[00:52:43] Speaker C: And.
[00:52:44] Speaker A: And I think there would be enough.
Enough weird human libertarians who would be like, you know what these are? That The. The. The Mr. Bear from. Mr. Bear from California. He brings up a good point. I don't know if we need seatbelts.
[00:53:02] Speaker B: And from California, the Muppet.
[00:53:06] Speaker C: The chair recognizes Mr. Bear from California.
[00:53:09] Speaker A: The chair recognizes Mr. The Frog from Louisiana. Yeah, exactly.
[00:53:15] Speaker C: Actually, Kermit did just establish recently that his last name is not correct.
[00:53:20] Speaker A: The is what he is like Chance the Rapper or Bill Nye the Science Guy.
So good point. You. You did correct me there.
[00:53:31] Speaker C: How would the chair record. Now I'm confused.
[00:53:34] Speaker B: I recognize the staff from New York walking to book in a book of book of law. You put the law in the book book and then you repeal it.
[00:53:45] Speaker A: Exactly. You think the Swedish Chef obeys laws?
[00:53:48] Speaker B: No, The Swedish Chef would push to get rid of all of the kitchen health coat laws. All of them.
[00:53:56] Speaker A: I mean, I think we can basically agree that. That the Swedish Chef is evil.
[00:54:02] Speaker C: Yeah, it's a strong cake, but it's, it's. It's.
[00:54:05] Speaker A: I don't know if I believe in evil. I don't know if I believe in the concept of evil, but if evil exists, the Swedish Chef is it.
[00:54:15] Speaker C: I wasn't sure if I believed in the concept of evil until I found out that Jeffrey Epstein is behind microtransactions that really Fucking changed how I feel about
[00:54:27] Speaker B: when I found out in the Epstein files how much of a shitty tipper Epstein was. Like, dude, you're rich. You're just giving two and three dollar tips for these big orders. No, he's a bad tipper. He's a bad person.
That and for many other reasons.
[00:54:41] Speaker A: Those are the emails you guys are talking about?
[00:54:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:54:47] Speaker A: So it wasn't. It wasn't Strong bad. I understand.
[00:54:51] Speaker B: I thought you were joking. What a wacky Muppets level miscommunication.
I could actually see that Ralph's like, oh, you were talking about those emails. I thought you were talking about strong bad.
[00:55:08] Speaker C: This has been. This has been quite the enlightening episode. Becca, Petunia, you've been an incredible guest. Where do people find you on the Internet? Remind us one more time if you
[00:55:18] Speaker A: haven't had too much of me already.
Let me make this as quick as possible.
Social media at Tall Girl Petunia, all one word.
Usually. Blue sky is probably the best social media to find me on because all social media is terrible, including blue sky. But hey, it's the least terrible at a pick.
You can find my writing about the muppets@tough pigs.com.
you can find my podcast, A Prairie Dawn Companion on the feed. Muppet Fan podcasts with Tough Pigs Dot Com.
Because it doesn't have its own podcast feed. It's part of, like, a larger feed that we have.
And season two should be coming.
I don't want to lie and say soon, but season two should be coming in 2026, I'll tell you that much. And of course, you can also find my X Men podcast that your editor Ella edits, which you can find that at Here Comes Tomorrow on your podcatchers on Blue sky or at here comes tomorrow.net. season two of that is coming soon, but in the meantime, we are also putting out sporadic episodes just to keep you guys, keep you guys on the ball. Subscribed, good content for you guys to listen to.
You can also find me at your local library.
[00:56:53] Speaker B: Whoa.
Okay. I. I just went to my local library back and yeah, Becca was there. It was quite interesting. Wow.
[00:57:01] Speaker A: I'm just astonished you could go to your local library so quickly.
[00:57:04] Speaker B: It's the power of my stand.
[00:57:06] Speaker A: Oh, because. Because you know where you can go to register to vote?
[00:57:11] Speaker B: The library.
[00:57:12] Speaker C: Your local library.
[00:57:14] Speaker A: And you can be anywhere that has to do with voting.
[00:57:17] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:57:19] Speaker C: And speaking of stand powers, all of you have a stand power inside of you, and it's the power to tell your friends about this podcast and give it five stars.
[00:57:29] Speaker B: Yeah. I'm sorry you all got such bad stand powers, but it really will help us out if you use it.
[00:57:35] Speaker C: Yeah. Not everybody gets sand powers as cool as mine. I'm not allowed to say what they are, but let's just say it's shining diamond.
[00:57:46] Speaker A: Hey, look, it's better than my stand power. Which is Remembering that in 1982, there was a pitch for a movie where Big Bird ran for president.
[00:57:55] Speaker B: That is such a useful stand power when it. When it comes in handy. It really comes in handy, though.
[00:58:00] Speaker A: It's come in handy once so far.
[00:58:03] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:58:04] Speaker C: All right, listeners, thanks for voting along with us, as always. We'll see you next time. Bye.
[00:58:08] Speaker B: Bye. Three ever.
