Episode Transcript
[00:00:01] Speaker A: Now, wait a minute. Now wait a minute.
[00:00:03] Speaker B: A lot of people that think, a lot of people. You just get to the polls any old way you want. Yeah, just get to the polls at any old pace. But I'm here to tell you today, tell me what you need to run.
[00:00:16] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh.
[00:00:18] Speaker B: You need to run to the polls. Because if you don't run and you're going to be caught up to, oh,
[00:00:27] Speaker A: gosh, I'm making the running sound effects that you can hear.
That's what people may sound like when they run.
[00:00:35] Speaker B: Creatures who walk.
[00:00:36] Speaker A: Oh, my gosh.
[00:00:38] Speaker B: Yes, that's right. You, you must outrun the creatures to get to the polls. And you might think, is this still worth voting? Is it still worth voting? If I have to go through that, the answer is, of course, yes, it's still worth voting. It's time to vote.
Election of our lives right now.
[00:00:57] Speaker C: This election, which will be, I do
[00:00:59] Speaker B: truly believe, the most important election of our lifetime.
[00:01:03] Speaker A: This is the most important election of our lifetime.
[00:01:06] Speaker B: This is the most important election. Don't you you hear that?
[00:01:10] Speaker A: This is the most important election in our lifetime.
[00:01:14] Speaker C: I certainly think it's the most important
[00:01:15] Speaker B: election of my lifetime.
This is the most important election of our times.
[00:01:21] Speaker A: Politicians say every time, this is the most important election. This one's really that important.
Oh, my gosh. I'm voting for the zombie. Is that right?
[00:01:32] Speaker B: Democratic podcast on Earth.
We're so happy to have you here today with us. If you're not in a line, get in a line, but make sure it's a line of living humans.
Don't just shuffle yourself into a line of the undead and then realize halfway through the line, oh, okay.
[00:01:55] Speaker A: So this podcast finally has one type of line that we say do not get into.
[00:02:01] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah. I, I, I, I think, I think that I'm gonna draw the line.
I'm gonna draw the line at lines of living creatures, okay?
[00:02:14] Speaker C: Unliving creatures.
[00:02:15] Speaker B: You could get, you could get in a line of deer if they're alive.
I don't care.
[00:02:22] Speaker A: Deer could vote, too.
[00:02:25] Speaker B: I, as always, I'm Kennedy Cooper.
[00:02:27] Speaker A: Hello.
[00:02:29] Speaker B: My co host, of course, is Andrew Fields, statistician.
[00:02:33] Speaker A: Hello. So, of course this is going to appear at a later day, but we are recording this on June 7th, which in the Americas is 67 day. So I hope when this podcast comes out, you look back to your day on six seven day, and you had a good one.
[00:02:50] Speaker B: You know, people, I was in a room earlier. I was, I was actually doing a different political, I was doing some political organizing Just before this, and I was in a room and they. They counted how many people were in there. And when the people said got to six, seven, my brain did a little thing. I was like, oh, I work with children, and most people don't.
[00:03:09] Speaker A: Like, I am a child. So.
[00:03:17] Speaker B: We have a exciting, wonderful, lovely guest today.
We have with us here in the voting booth Mary Kenny, a writer, an author.
A writer on many wonderful video games.
I'm not gonna say that much about which video games, because we.
We could have a.
A lawyer will hold up this podcast and keep it in his office, and then we won't be able to vote.
[00:03:46] Speaker A: That's a voter suppression.
[00:03:48] Speaker C: You can't vote if a lawyer says you're not allowed to vote. That is voter.
That's what they do.
[00:03:59] Speaker B: Mary Kenny, welcome to the show.
[00:04:01] Speaker A: I'm gonna vote the lawyer out. I'm gonna vote the lawyers out. But until then, I guess I'm gonna have to respect them.
[00:04:09] Speaker C: The bylaws say you can't vote out the lawyers. It's so nice to be here. Thank you for having me.
[00:04:17] Speaker B: I'm a big fan of your work, including editor. Put in some censored noises right here.
[00:04:26] Speaker C: No, I. You know what? I will say the video games and then the lawyers can't get me. It's fine. Whatever.
So, yeah, I was a writer and narrative director on the upcoming Marvel's Wolverine, on Marvel's Spider Man, Miles Morales, I was on the Walking Dead, the final season.
I've done a lot of smaller projects as well, indie and aaa, but not. Not quite as well known. Those are kind of the biggies that I have hit recently as an author. I've. I've worked on my own work and as well as Star wars, and I've just kind of dipped my toes in a lot of different ip, actually.
[00:05:08] Speaker B: A lot of incredible things. A lot of great stuff.
[00:05:10] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:05:12] Speaker B: And we're here today in particular to talk about the Walking Dead. And I think it's a real privilege to get to pick the brain of somebody who's had the opportunity to do narrative design in the Walking Dead universe.
I really felt like we had a rare treat today with that, so thank you.
[00:05:33] Speaker C: Yeah. I was so grateful to be asked to, you know, pick apart my own brain in front of you. I'm excited.
[00:05:41] Speaker B: So tell me about your relationship to the Walking Dead. Other than working on it, how do you feel about. I mean, you could talk about working on it too, but how do you feel about it? What. What.
[00:05:50] Speaker A: What.
[00:05:50] Speaker B: What brings you into this universe? What makes it Compelling to you? What makes it exciting?
[00:05:57] Speaker C: It's cool.
So I came onto the Walking Dead as, as a writer in pre production of the final season. So at that point, the video that was the fourth in the Telltale video game series.
So I had already been a fan for years. Right.
I had read some of the comics, I had seen the TV show. But I'd also.
I am more of a gamer than I would say then, certainly a viewer, but even probably than a reader. I didn't used to be, but I am these days for probably obvious reasons.
And the video game, the first season of Walking Dead was.
It remains one of my favorite video games of all time.
It really took my breath away. It was emotional, it was honest, it was.
[00:06:48] Speaker B: I mean it's the game that proved that those kind of storytelling games didn't have to go anywhere. Like they didn't really go away, you know.
[00:06:56] Speaker C: Yeah, your choices matter. Your choice.
And they did. How many people died and in which excruciating ways was all up to your choices. No, it really did.
The video game did. And I'm going to get back into the broader ip, although it's true for both did what. What I find most compelling about just stories in general, which is it's all about the relationships. It's all about the relationships with other people.
And not as simple as just do you befriend everybody you meet? Which I think is a really boring way to make a video game or story. But like much more, who do you trust? Who can you trust?
Was it a good idea to put my faith in this person or was I taken advantage of negotiating all of that in a video game is what really interests me.
It's the kind of narrative design I like to do.
And the Walking Dead is so good for that and so rich in those kind of stories because it is such a character driven story. Right. It's not so much about. It's not a big existential plot. It's not about finding a cure. It's not about, you know, it's not this giant epic in that way. It is a bunch of people who are very flawed and very fragile trying to survive the unthinkable.
And it always has been. And that's when it's at its best. So it's a great IP for the kind of work I like to do. When I found out I was being transferred off of Batman and onto the Walking Dead for the final season, I was like, yes, yes, time for some gruesome deaths. Let's go.
[00:08:44] Speaker B: Time for some grit and gore.
[00:08:47] Speaker C: Yeah, Blood.
[00:08:48] Speaker A: One thing I like about the first Walking Dead I didn't get too far in because life happened and I never got back into it. As you mentioned, who do you trust and not trust? But one thing I liked about the early narrative is you're not exactly the most trustworthy person in the world yourself. Like, you were in the news for a murder and you were in a cop car. So, like, how do you get people to trust you?
[00:09:11] Speaker C: Yeah, I think what's really interesting to me about that story is that the narrative is not trying to. There's never a point where they try to justify that murder to you.
It's never like, no, no, no, he was. He was cool. You guys, like. And I feel like a weaker story would have. Would have been like, no, no, no, it was totally cool. Because whatever, you know, annoying flashback in episode three that nobody needed, and they didn't try to do that. It's not about that. It's a story of redemption through love, and that love is for Clementine.
And it's all about the murderer becoming the one willing to die because something is greater and more important than himself. And it's not only the people we love, but the hope of a future.
And in getting to work on season four, we got to pay off on that future. This is the future that Lee was fighting for, even though he couldn't see it back then.
[00:10:10] Speaker A: Awesome.
[00:10:11] Speaker C: You know, not to get sappy or anything, you should vote for a future.
[00:10:14] Speaker B: Yes, I'll vote for that.
[00:10:21] Speaker A: No, sorry. I'm voting for the bad future.
[00:10:26] Speaker C: I've decided I want meteors to explode. Never mind.
[00:10:32] Speaker B: Yeah, no, we're good. We're going back to meteors exploding. Sorry, everybody.
The dinosaurs, they had it right.
[00:10:43] Speaker C: The dinosaurs had it right. Bold.
[00:10:46] Speaker A: They voted for the meteors. It's a little known fact.
[00:10:51] Speaker C: They were a democratic people. The dinos.
[00:10:56] Speaker B: You know, these are the kinds of revelations you can only get here. That's all I can say.
So, yeah, I think the Walking Dead fundamentally is.
Is a wonderful property for asking these kinds of questions. I mean, famously, the question that inspired the Walking Dead to exist was Robert Kirkman was thinking about, you know, zombie movies always end after like 90 minutes. But the consequences of what happens to these people, like months from now is. Is very interesting.
And I think that, you know, this. That's. That's why this property has had such a lasting impact in so many ways, is because it explores these very deep themes that, you know, kind of get into the nitty gritty of what people will do when Their backs are against the wall and things like that. Which kind of got me thinking about the philosophical quandary of the trolley problem and how the Walking Dead is kind of like a Oops, All Trolley Problems kind of situation.
[00:12:14] Speaker A: All Trolley Problems.
[00:12:16] Speaker C: Oh, better title. Oh, I vote for that title.
[00:12:22] Speaker B: When my. When my zombie movie comes out, that's what it's going to be called. Oops, All Trolley Problems. And then that's all. The movie will just start with people in a room going, it's either two of us dies or three of us dies.
[00:12:37] Speaker C: That's the three that lived. Like, go to the next room and it's, oh, now it's us three or those four.
[00:12:46] Speaker A: In the end, you find the guy that's been doing all the zombies and just shooting him and all the zombies go away.
[00:12:56] Speaker C: Oh, we're cooking with gas now. This is Right. This is good to me.
[00:13:01] Speaker A: You shoot him with his one weakness. Bullets from a gun.
[00:13:07] Speaker C: Damn. Never saw that coming. I've just been hitting people with trolleys. I didn't know that was an option.
[00:13:12] Speaker A: Okay, yeah, that's why. That's why you can't. That's why you can't kill them. They're immune to trolleys.
[00:13:18] Speaker B: Wait, wait, wait.
[00:13:19] Speaker A: What about.
[00:13:19] Speaker B: What about. This is a freebie. You can use this in some game you're working on. Possibly a gun that shoots trolleys. All right,
[00:13:29] Speaker A: the name of the gun is the trolley problem.
[00:13:33] Speaker C: It just shoots tiny miniature trolleys.
Can you imagine the sound effect? What a miracle.
It's gonna be. Really.
[00:13:44] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:13:44] Speaker C: Classic.
[00:13:46] Speaker A: You can either kill one person without having to reload and it aims automatically, or you can kill up to five. Not one person, one zombie. Or you could kill up to five zombies, but you have to be able to.
[00:13:57] Speaker B: Walkers. Walkers. We don't know what zombies are.
I've never heard
[00:14:03] Speaker C: in my life.
[00:14:04] Speaker A: Oh. Oh, God. The lawyer's right there. He's kind of.
Walker.
[00:14:11] Speaker C: The lawyer keeps hitting me with the newspaper. Is that normal?
Is that part of this?
[00:14:17] Speaker B: No, I.
[00:14:18] Speaker C: So the trolley problem thing, like, one of the first things they teach you when you are learning the Walking Dead IP to work on it, is that every character needs to have a scar. And what that means it can be physical. Many of them do have physical scars.
Or it can be an emotional scar, or it can be a combo platter of one. One visually represents the other. Why not?
But it was something that was really important to keep in mind when we were pitching all of our characters, there was nobody left at this point in the. You know what you were saying about Robert Kirkman's original question that led him to the Walking Dead early on, like in season one of the video game and in season one of the TV show, We're all kind of new to this and we're figuring out what a walker is, and we're holding on to a lot of the morality and the bylaws and the lawyers of the world before, but a few years in, none of anybody who is still cleaning would still be cleaning. On to the old world is gone at this point. They have not made it this far. It's only the people who were willing to let go of something emotionally, morally, physically, who would have been able to make it this far. So working on season four became this quandary about, like, okay, what did all of these people let go of?
And are they okay with that? And are they actually okay with that? Or is it the thing they hate about themselves, or is it the thing they hate about others or about the world as it exists?
And that, again, just the IP provides this really fertile ground for those, you know, kind of deep questions that will come up between these characters. Because we go back to that question of who can you trust?
Nobody. Right? If everybody left is somebody who was willing to give up something that was core to their character or core to their, you know, body or being, I'm supposed to put my life in their hands, they were willing to give up their left leg or whatever, you know what I mean? So it. The longer you make it in this world, the more dangerous it becomes.
[00:16:30] Speaker B: Yeah, it's a good way to take
[00:16:31] Speaker C: my nice thing and then make it a bummer.
[00:16:35] Speaker B: No, no. Every character, you know, has to live with themselves. And that puts them in a position of needing to have a certain amount of, like, feeling of justification towards their behavior and things like that. And of course, some of the most exciting moments in the Walking Dead, whether it's the game, the comics, the show, spin off show, whichever, some of the most exciting moments are when characters have to question the things that they hold dear because you don't have a lot else in a setting like that other than the values you can hold on to. Right?
[00:17:15] Speaker C: Yeah. And that became our thematic question of is it more important, you know, in season four, is it more important to raise a child these days as a survivor? Or is it more important to try to reclaim pieces of that old world now that we're building a new one?
And in a game like that, we don't answer that question for you, it's something that the player has to answer. For themselves.
[00:17:41] Speaker A: Wait a second. I gotta think.
Playing your video game.
[00:17:44] Speaker C: Yeah, I mean, you don't have to.
[00:17:47] Speaker A: Oh, thank goodness. I'm just going to get on the surface themes and pretend that it's a total CHUD game for.
[00:17:55] Speaker C: Yeah. If you're playing it and you're like, I don't know, I just used my hatchet on some walkers and I'm feeling great. That's also cool. That's cool. That's fine.
[00:18:05] Speaker B: That's all right. I guess it implies something about what kind of person you might be in the apocalypse, but let's move on.
Okay. So, you know, I have to say this property has already explored a lot of philosophical questions, and so I had to dig deep a little bit to think about some questions for this episode. But we're gonna step into the voting booth now.
[00:18:32] Speaker A: All right?
[00:18:33] Speaker B: And I think that.
[00:18:34] Speaker A: Why is there a lawyer in the voting Bo.
Why is there a lawyer in the voting booth?
[00:18:40] Speaker B: Make sure you win. Right.
[00:18:41] Speaker C: Obviously we said voter suppression is okay in the apocalypse. Unfortunately, that was the thing we gave up. Was that protection.
[00:18:49] Speaker A: Sorry, I don't like the way he's looking at me, but okay.
[00:18:54] Speaker C: They just look like that. That's what law school does to you. Don't be.
[00:19:00] Speaker B: Okay, that's factual. Look that up.
So I've got some questions that. I mean, I. A few of these maybe have been touched on a little bit, but I think overall, I've got a set of questions here that haven't really been asked before about a conclusion. Possible. Possible conclusions that could be reached in a universe where the walkers walk among us. All right, so.
[00:19:30] Speaker A: Whoa, what did you say?
[00:19:32] Speaker B: I'm going to start with the softball.
Start with the softball. Easy one.
In the early days of the event, modern Republicans are just calling this a hoax, right? Like that.
What does it take to even get Republicans to believe that this is happening?
[00:19:56] Speaker C: I feel like, okay, so this assumes that the CDC is still funded and can even tell us it's happening. Right?
[00:20:06] Speaker B: So that's what I'm saying, Right? Like it.
What, what, what. What mechanism still exists that could possibly get these. These folks to believe this is the problem?
[00:20:19] Speaker C: Right?
[00:20:19] Speaker B: A couple of convincing tiktoks. I'm going to start being like, oh, shit, it's on.
[00:20:23] Speaker C: You know, so you would. You would have. But that's the problem, though, right? You'd have some tiktoks that are. That have live footage that is real, but then you also have Gen AI footage that is not right. So now it's a cluster. We don't know where the breakouts are happening because. Because of misinformation.
We have.
We have many. Many who are. Oh, sorry, go ahead.
[00:20:50] Speaker B: The RFK is definitely telling us that it's all good.
[00:20:54] Speaker C: Just. Yeah, just swim directly in a sewer and you will be cured. Yes.
So we're getting lots of good advice, I'm sure.
Many believing it's a hoax, but then others just trying to downplay it for, you know, to keep the peace. And then, I don't know, I assume somebody gets, like, eaten by a walker on live television, but that doesn't actually move the needle at all, and it just continues its outbreak. Yeah, that's my. That's my rosy outlook.
[00:21:28] Speaker B: Yeah, that's.
That sounds about right. I actually, I. I've been. I've been kind of tinkering with a board game where you're going. It's like a canvassing simulator where you go door to door trying to convince people that the zombies are here and you're fighting the zombies on the street, but then people don't necessarily believe you in spite of that.
And I don't know, I just feel like that's kind of where we're at. Right? Like that.
[00:21:54] Speaker C: Yeah, I think so. I think that's right.
[00:21:58] Speaker A: This is how you go about it. This is how you go about it.
Framing. Right.
It's the woke mind virus spreading, and it's causing people to be very weird and shambling apart. The woke mind virus is here and taking effect.
[00:22:13] Speaker C: I mean, to be fair, that is how I walk most of the time, so.
Oh, completely inaccurate.
[00:22:23] Speaker A: Yeah, me too. I have one bad leg, so my
[00:22:28] Speaker C: posture is just a nightmare.
[00:22:30] Speaker A: So, you know, I don't want to blame my leg. I'm sorry. My leg's fine. It's my bad foot.
[00:22:37] Speaker B: Listen, I've got scoliosis and a bad leg, so this. This podcast is making me feel terrible. No, I'm just kidding.
[00:22:46] Speaker C: I like the one upping of, I'm more the walking dead than you are.
[00:22:50] Speaker A: I'm more of a walker than you are.
[00:22:54] Speaker C: Oh, shit.
[00:23:01] Speaker B: So how.
It's like the event happens, and then gradually the problems become more and more about society and things like that. And the what, the nature of the walkers change over time a little bit, and these things start to evolve over time.
How long after the event before the walkers win the right to vote?
[00:23:28] Speaker A: Well, let's.
[00:23:30] Speaker C: I mean, here's the thing. They might get the right to vote on paper, but can they actually access the polls? Can they use the ballot? Are the ballots created in a way that they are able to cast a vote. Or is it like.
[00:23:47] Speaker B: So Delaware just declared that corporations themselves, which are people as we know, may be able to vote in some elections in Delaware.
[00:24:00] Speaker A: Don't think about how nightmarish what Kennedy just said is. But. Yeah.
[00:24:04] Speaker C: Nope, turned off that part of my brain.
[00:24:06] Speaker B: We're just using the show, not a new show. But unfortunately this may be news to some people.
[00:24:12] Speaker C: People.
[00:24:12] Speaker A: Yeah. And I want to make it clear, like there are more corporations registered in Delaware than there are people living there.
[00:24:20] Speaker B: Let's not go there. Let's just.
[00:24:23] Speaker C: I'm just gonna use one Long Brown for the rest.
[00:24:26] Speaker A: Delaware is the only state where the, the state constitution can be amended without a vote from the people at the ballot. Where as the politicians can completely do it themselves. Like I want to make it clear. Delaware is the walking dead. All right, Kennedy, you can go.
[00:24:46] Speaker C: I do feel like when we inevitably get the Supreme Court case about the right to the walker vote, at this point there are at least two members of the Supreme Court who are walkers who are just kind of strapped into their chairs.
[00:24:59] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:00] Speaker C: I feel like when that SCOTUS case comes up, more than one of them is going to cite the whole we are the walking dead line as we'll see. If everybody is the walking dead, then everybody gets to vote suckers.
I think, I think that's going to be a pretty big footnote in that Supreme Court case.
[00:25:21] Speaker B: In that Supreme Court case, who writes the opinion?
[00:25:30] Speaker C: Whichever one of them has the biggest machine gun and they write it with the machine gun, I would assume.
[00:25:37] Speaker A: You know what, at least that's badass, right?
[00:25:41] Speaker C: It's, you know, the smell is not delightful, but it is kind of cool.
[00:25:45] Speaker B: Just like blasting the opinion into like some hillside with this machine gun or something like that.
[00:25:52] Speaker C: In his 5 to 4 decision, he's so tired, you get like.
[00:26:01] Speaker A: So is the fiery descent also.
Yeah. Is the fiery descent also still done with, with a gun or is that done boring on paper?
[00:26:16] Speaker C: Yeah. I feel like if you're, would you, would you use a gun? How many bullets do we have? Like, at what point is this irresponsible or would I have to do something like a fire trap?
[00:26:27] Speaker B: I don't know, talking to a science, a science minded friend about how, you know, if, if we ever stop the producing rubber and we have 10 years and then there's no more rubber because rubber doesn't last very long.
[00:26:41] Speaker C: I talked to a friend about that too while I was on this, on this IP because like there are so many scenes in zombie movies of siphoning gas. And they're like, but what about the rubber? It's like, whoa, what about the rubber? What are you talking about? So, yeah, that's the real issue. Somebody writes their descent in rubber just, just as a flex.
[00:27:04] Speaker A: What a fucking flag.
[00:27:10] Speaker B: So if you're a walker and a voter, are you a new voter or are you extending the voting record of the deceased citizen?
[00:27:22] Speaker C: Well, let's see. So in the past, so in the TV show at least, the way that the virus works is to just click off parts of your brain which, you know, goals and just keep the stem working. So at that point, I would say, like, my brain stem was always a big part of my voting record. Right. I've always been scared. So it's the same brainstem.
So, yeah, I've been voting. I would, I would say it all counts. I think it's all in there. You know, just because I have new hobbies, new interests, a new diet, doesn't make me a new voter.
[00:27:58] Speaker A: You know what, Just because you eat different things now doesn't make you a different person.
[00:28:05] Speaker C: I've expanded my palate.
[00:28:08] Speaker B: Yeah. I can't argue with that statement.
[00:28:12] Speaker A: It's a good thing that you. That walkers would have no interest.
[00:28:15] Speaker B: Make you a different person.
[00:28:17] Speaker A: Yeah. Walkers have no interest in me. I have nothing that they would want.
I have nothing that I could be friends.
[00:28:27] Speaker C: Yeah, I agree. I don't. I don't think I'd be prime real estate either, personally.
[00:28:32] Speaker A: Now Kennedy also has nothing to worry about.
[00:28:39] Speaker C: They started off as who's the most walker, honest, and then who's the least delicious. So it's. This is going as. As expected. Yeah.
[00:28:49] Speaker B: So if the walkers become a voting bloc, what gets them out to vote? What motivates them? Do they care about health care, taxes, health care?
[00:29:01] Speaker C: Probably not, because then them limbs be rotten no matter what you do. Right.
I'm going to, I'm going to go
[00:29:09] Speaker B: with again for topics they're going to not turn them out to the polls, you know.
[00:29:14] Speaker C: No, I think many, many of the, the hot button issues are not so much for them. We're going to have to shift our.
[00:29:21] Speaker A: Just imagining a bunch of walkers being like trans people in sports,
[00:29:31] Speaker C: like Bobby, why do you care?
Everybody tastes the same. Bobby, why do we have to keep talking about this? Bob, It's. Yeah, it's a bummer.
I do, I feel like food supply is going to be a big deal. So, you know, that's what right now is maybe taken up by farmers is now going to be solely focused on Meat production of varying qualities.
[00:29:59] Speaker A: Agriculture.
[00:30:02] Speaker C: My. Right. My farm. And it's just like a bunch of people in a barn. You're like, God damn it.
[00:30:08] Speaker B: So right. Repair finally gets passed.
[00:30:11] Speaker A: Oh, thank goodness.
[00:30:13] Speaker B: That's what I'm hearing. This is the.
[00:30:16] Speaker A: You know what?
Thank goodness for the Walkers. The Walker vote.
[00:30:22] Speaker C: Did the walkers the world. Is it better now? Are things better now?
Wow.
Walker for president. I guess. Who's our first Walker President?
[00:30:36] Speaker A: I mean, RFK
[00:30:42] Speaker C: next year,
[00:30:45] Speaker B: or did it already happen, perhaps.
[00:30:49] Speaker C: Oh, if we got that reveal, would anybody even be surprised? Like, is that even a season finale? I don't think so.
[00:30:55] Speaker B: That's like Ronald Reagan was a walker for the last year of his presidency. Yeah, we already knew that. Come on.
[00:31:03] Speaker C: No kidding.
[00:31:04] Speaker A: Wasting my time with that news.
[00:31:07] Speaker C: Scroll, scroll on TikTok. Scroll next video. I don't care.
[00:31:11] Speaker B: I'm not even clicking through that one.
[00:31:14] Speaker C: No, don't follow.
[00:31:21] Speaker B: So this one. Okay, this one, I think is a little tricky.
How is it still possible, or is there some way that we could possibly still gerrymander districts if walkers are kind of these roving mobs that don't stay in one place and so your voters are kind of moving around.
[00:31:45] Speaker C: So I think so. So, yes, but the tactics would be different. So. So things that we have seen one.
Eventually everybody kind of splits off into these settlements, right? So that those would be our. Our voting areas, our, you know, metropolitan, you know, prison full of 12 people or whatever.
So. So we have. We have these concentrated units of people.
But then we've also seen in the games and the show that we can lure walkers.
So I could see these different settlements. Like, oh, my God, you're. You're trying to lure a herd of walkers. So it's like, oh, I have, you know, I have 50 more people. All of a sudden, I guess I get more electoral votes and. But, you know, you stick them in a barn and they don't get a vote. So, yeah, I could totally. I think. I think it's there. I think you can do it.
[00:32:37] Speaker A: Oh, no, I don't like the idea of politicians next level gerrymandering.
Just luring the voters to a new flourish.
[00:32:47] Speaker C: Yeah, they're just shaking meat on a stick and that's how they lure voters now.
Which isn't that different really, but
[00:33:00] Speaker A: I'm sorry for all my comments on Delaware.
[00:33:05] Speaker C: Are you all aware which.
[00:33:08] Speaker B: Which of our.
I feel like some of our current political figures could probably just blend in with the walkers, right?
Like, they wouldn't really have to do anything. They could just like, you know, how, like, the whisperers, like, you know, put the effort into, like, seeming like a zombie or. Sorry, seeming like a walker.
I don't feel like RFK doesn't have to do anything. Right.
[00:33:36] Speaker C: I think we got a sizable chunk of, of Congress that just kind of. The walkers, like, bust into Congress and go, oh, just more of us, like, there.
[00:33:45] Speaker A: No,
[00:33:48] Speaker C: no subterfuge necessary.
[00:33:50] Speaker B: You're chasing around, like, three freshmen members, and that's about it.
[00:33:56] Speaker C: Exactly. Yeah. I, I, I think, I think D.C. is, is gonna be a. Okay in these circumstances.
[00:34:04] Speaker B: Yeah. Very, very little changes, especially even more so.
[00:34:08] Speaker A: Remember that time there was that House rep who just went missing for months at the time of this recording? Nobody knows.
Yeah. Where's this man?
[00:34:22] Speaker C: Shambling off after a meat stick, apparently. Maybe.
[00:34:25] Speaker A: Okay, so he's, he's already a walker. Okay. We've established a member of Congress who's currently a walker.
[00:34:32] Speaker C: If I have not seen a member of Congress in person in the last five days, I just assume they're a walker at this point, just, you know, to be safe.
[00:34:41] Speaker B: Yeah, that's pretty fair.
[00:34:42] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:34:43] Speaker B: Yeah. Do they have silver alerts in Washington, D.C. because I bet those are just popping off every time there's a Senate vote.
[00:34:54] Speaker C: Oh, I don't know.
[00:34:59] Speaker B: My state has those. And for those who aren't aware, a silver alert is. Some states are doing this now. It's like a alert for when an elderly person wanders off that shouldn't have wandered off situation, and people who don't know where they are. It's like a. You get like, your phone blows up with one of those loud buzzing things, and it's like there's a guy missing. He's wearing a Mickey Mouse T shirt.
[00:35:27] Speaker C: Oh.
[00:35:31] Speaker B: All right.
Is.
What, what's the deal with walkers and gender?
They, they, they, they kind of self reproduce, so they don't really recognize traditional sexual roles in any way.
Right.
Not that that's the sole decider of gender, of course, but I'm just putting that out there as a starting point of, like, they don't even biologically reproduce in the same way that humans do. Exactly.
[00:36:03] Speaker C: I feel like that is just to paint off that real quick. I do feel like that's why certain people, like J.D. vance just don't want them to vote immediately. Right. It's like they don't reproduce in the right way. No, thank you. No, thank you.
[00:36:17] Speaker B: That's the reason they don't meet Catholic standard at all.
[00:36:21] Speaker C: Yeah.
[00:36:21] Speaker A: JT France doesn't meet Catholic standard at all.
[00:36:26] Speaker C: Oh,
[00:36:29] Speaker A: yeah. Shots fired.
Fun.
Fun. Related fact, because of the Pope's comments against AI and a human soul, some workplaces are playing it safe. And if you're a Catholic and you're working place is forcing you to use AI, you can get a religious exemption. We're seeing this happen. It's wild.
[00:36:54] Speaker C: Yeah, I did see that. That. That was pretty cool.
[00:36:56] Speaker B: I didn't think the Butlerian Jihad was going to happen 2026, but whatever, let's do this.
[00:37:04] Speaker C: What a time to be alive yet again.
Or undead, as it were. You know, whatever.
Yeah. So. So walkers and gender.
So, yeah, we're not.
[00:37:16] Speaker B: They have a gender. Is walker a gender? Where do we fall on this as a they.
[00:37:22] Speaker A: Them?
[00:37:22] Speaker B: I need to know.
So I'm not. I'm not, you know, misgendering my. My.
My siblings in the LGBTQW alliance.
[00:37:36] Speaker C: Well, and it'd be so hard to ask too, like, hey, can you let me. What are your pronouns? And they just go. And you're like. So maybe. Maybe the pronouns are just for all walkers because, you know, we. We know they're into that.
That's so tricky. Because we. We. So the thing is, like, walkers do have more awareness than we give them credit for. There's a scene in season four of the Walking Dead, the video game, where there's a bunch of walkers, and they're drawn to the sound of wind chimes, and they just kind of stand there peacefully watching the wind chimes and listening to the music.
So we know that they're not as simple as just eat all over.
So that tells us nothing. It's just kind of a bonus. But, like, I'm with you. I.
I don't. I don't want.
I don't want to oversimplify.
[00:38:30] Speaker A: Vote for me, walkers. I am the only pro wind chime candidate on the ballot.
[00:38:37] Speaker C: Wind chimes and meat sticks is how we. How we gerrymander.
[00:38:44] Speaker B: Maybe the occasional fireworks display, the occasional
[00:38:48] Speaker C: Supreme Court decision blasted into the side of a hill. Yeah, I'm sure that would draw some walkers 100%.
[00:38:56] Speaker B: Well, okay.
[00:38:57] Speaker C: Well, now.
[00:38:57] Speaker B: Okay, see, now I'm coming around to the idea of blasting it into the side of the hill because you want the walkers to know about this momentous Supreme Court decision giving them new rights so you'd want them to gather.
Damn it.
[00:39:14] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:39:14] Speaker B: Because it's not like they can go online.
I always get tricked. I always get tricked. Again.
[00:39:21] Speaker C: Yeah, there's always. There's always another layer. It's a very nuanced faith.
[00:39:33] Speaker A: Oh, no. I just realized something else. About Delaware?
[00:39:38] Speaker B: No.
[00:39:40] Speaker A: Okay. So, like, even though people can't vote directly on amending the Delaware constitution, what they do is they, the politicians vote on it by law.
The government has used to put it in the newspaper. Now they put it online, all the changes, and then people vote. And the idea was if there's some amendment that's really offensive, they don't have the votes next time. Right. Well, they're going to have. If they. If we're doing this things into the hill thing, they're going to have to update it again so the walkers know.
And all the proposed constitutional amendments, Delaware is going to have to blast into the hills.
[00:40:26] Speaker C: What I'm hearing is we're going to need a lot of hills. We need a lot of.
We're gonna. The. The, like the Rocky Mountains are just SCOTUS decisions at this point. There's nothing else left.
[00:40:40] Speaker B: We're gonna need to start just like taking piles of junk and corpses and stuff and just making hills.
Yeah, yeah.
[00:40:50] Speaker C: Grim but effective.
[00:40:51] Speaker B: Yeah, sometimes that's all you've got is a grim but effective method. That's. That's what the Walking dead taught me.
[00:41:00] Speaker C: That's. That is.
Yeah. That is our shared scar. Yeah.
[00:41:05] Speaker B: Yeah. My shared scar is I was the hill builder in Delaware for 10 years.
[00:41:12] Speaker C: Yeah, I can imagine that character intro scene, too. Just kind of stumbling in with your shovel and your. Or like driving in your forklift and just being like, I had to make all those damn hills.
That's the character intro I'm here for. I'm right. I'm feeling good about it.
[00:41:31] Speaker B: You got like a. Like a bobcat digger covered and skulls.
[00:41:35] Speaker C: You know, y. You've got a few words that were shot into the side because somebody was updating a hill while you were there and you were like, ah, you know, like driving away and. And so you're like, yeah, it just says like here to four on the back. I don't know why, but.
[00:41:59] Speaker B: Are walkers for or against trolleys?
[00:42:04] Speaker C: Trolleys, yeah.
[00:42:07] Speaker B: This is a trolley problem.
[00:42:09] Speaker A: This is a trolley problem.
[00:42:11] Speaker C: I think while the trolley is parked, huge fan. Like, if there's a bunch of people on the trolley and they're trying to move and can't, that's. That's a buffet for a walker. So that's cool.
I think once the trolley. I think once the decision has been reached and the trolley is now hurtling at people, less of a fan because typically, you know, walkers can't really get out of the way very quickly. So, yeah, I would say mixed. Mixed reaction to the Idea of a trolley.
To the idea of having to choose between which people to eat. Eat all of them. I mean, that. That. That one's easy.
[00:42:57] Speaker B: Yeah. If you're a walker. The answer to every trolley problem is real simple.
[00:43:06] Speaker A: If you can eat one person or five people.
Six people. Come on.
[00:43:11] Speaker C: I see six very edible people. I don't see an issue. Why are you all whining?
Plato is gonna rise as a walker and is gonna be pissed immediately. It's gonna be great.
[00:43:27] Speaker A: Get cave.
Get out of the cave.
[00:43:34] Speaker C: So pissed you off the cave.
[00:43:41] Speaker B: Does HIPAA protect you from having to disclose your bite status?
[00:43:46] Speaker C: I think so. That's private.
That's private medical information. Whether. I think I'm going to take a step further and say that HIPAA protects you from having to disclose whether you're a walker, period.
[00:43:58] Speaker A: Oh.
Oh, no.
[00:44:02] Speaker C: Yeah, That's. That's my business. Okay. I don't. I don't want to write it down on my driver's license.
[00:44:10] Speaker A: I think that might be relevant. Like, I. I don't know. I feel like. I feel like if you're a walker, it's important for me to know that you're a walker. Am I just being.
[00:44:18] Speaker B: Oh.
[00:44:19] Speaker A: Am I just being ableist?
I.
[00:44:23] Speaker C: You know, it might be important for you, but is it more important for me that you don't know I'm a walker?
[00:44:28] Speaker A: I would say I'm being ableist. I'm sorry.
[00:44:35] Speaker B: So you. Yeah. So you're. You're going a step further and saying, like, you don't have to, like, if on your driver's license, it doesn't say, like, walker or human.
[00:44:46] Speaker C: Yep.
[00:44:47] Speaker B: Or.
[00:44:48] Speaker C: Yeah, I would say. Yeah, I can't. I don't have to disclose that. My driver's license.
[00:44:53] Speaker B: What about your death certificate?
[00:44:55] Speaker C: Are we bothering with those anymore? I mean, we're all infected.
Would we say those are important at this point?
Yes.
[00:45:09] Speaker B: This is a democracy, Mary.
[00:45:12] Speaker A: Is it anymore?
I feel like. I feel like. I feel like the democracy became a.
[00:45:23] Speaker C: All right, if we're bothering with death certificates, then I, I do feel like on a death certificate, they would want to disclose. How many times have I been issued a death certificate? That might be relevant.
[00:45:34] Speaker B: Okay, okay. So, like, first death certificate, second death certificate. So if you've got a second death certificate, that's the telltale sign.
[00:45:42] Speaker C: Yeah, then you're. Then you're gonzo.
[00:45:44] Speaker A: That's the what, Kennedy? That's the what sign.
[00:45:50] Speaker B: I can't anymore. The lawyers looking at me funny.
So. So, so. So you've got presidential elections where people are demanding, show me how many death certificates.
[00:46:05] Speaker C: Because you're demanding my driver's license. Which does not disclose what. What I, what I am. Because we won that Supreme Court case.
So. Yeah, you would, you would now get a law being passed that you have to, you have to be able to provide no death certificates. I don't know, it could get, it could get very confusing. Right.
[00:46:28] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:46:29] Speaker C: We need to be able to run you in the database and show that there are no death certificates issued. And then. Well, only one. Well actually like it's, it just, it's. It's going to get spicy. It's going to be very, lots of suppression.
[00:46:41] Speaker B: Since we've already established that we're. We're going to, you know, let walkers be voters, I think it's sounding like probably we're heading towards the future where we're just. We're making death certificates illegal at some point.
[00:46:54] Speaker C: Get rid of them.
The less paperwork in the world, the better. That's good. I think that's. This is a good thing.
[00:47:02] Speaker B: Paper to prove that somebody died. They're dead. Come on, let's get over it.
[00:47:13] Speaker C: Who, whose job is it to file death? Like that's, that's now a high risk job. That's a filing death certificate in the walking dead universe that you need like combat pay at that point. I mean it's just. Is the juice worth the squeeze, you know?
[00:47:30] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I agreed.
Being the person who files a death certificate would be like up there with like crab boating at that point.
Constant injuries.
Although maybe, I mean if, I guess if you were a walker looking for a job, maybe that. That's the, that's the, that's your entry Walkers.
[00:47:52] Speaker C: True.
[00:47:52] Speaker B: Entering the economy is that they would take jobs like that.
[00:47:55] Speaker C: Right. Very good at mindless repetitive tasks. Very. Will not look for fulfillment at all. Very good at clearing out problem people in your organization quickly. Yeah.
[00:48:10] Speaker B: With being around dead bodies.
[00:48:12] Speaker C: Yep. Not queenish.
[00:48:14] Speaker A: I.
[00:48:14] Speaker C: Smells do not bother me.
[00:48:16] Speaker A: I'm against AI taking my job.
[00:48:21] Speaker C: Do you think walkers would form a union?
[00:48:24] Speaker B: Oh, I was just kind of thinking the same thing.
[00:48:28] Speaker C: I feel like they need one. Right. Like certain protections and care needs to be taken of these actively rotting bodies, one would assume.
[00:48:37] Speaker B: I will say this, I think they would be good at the actual like when they reached. I don't know what it would take for them to reach that conclusion internally as a, as a populist necessarily. But I think once they did start reaching that conclusion, I think they would be exceptionally good at recruiting people to put together a union. Like to get together that initial union vote and things like that. They'd be. So Walkers would, Would. Would just rock at that.
[00:49:06] Speaker C: I mean, they move in herds. Like, clearly they believe in collective action, so we're already there emotionally. You don't get a lot of individualist walkers, so. Yeah, I, I agree with you. I think you'.
[00:49:20] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah, I think. I think the walkers are unionizing pretty quick, probably.
[00:49:25] Speaker C: Yeah. Way faster than everybody else. They're like, God damn, how'd you guys organize so fast? Like, well, we kind of figured this out way sooner than you did.
[00:49:39] Speaker B: Is it. Is it more populist to be a human or walker?
[00:49:46] Speaker C: I was gonna say walker very confidently, but you do eat people, which.
[00:49:52] Speaker A: That's fun fact. I don't want to be eaten.
[00:49:55] Speaker B: That does feel a little anti populous.
[00:49:59] Speaker C: It doesn't. It doesn't. Yeah. It doesn't really line up with the, the values, does it?
I mean, I guess you don't eat people if people aren't around, though.
[00:50:08] Speaker B: You know, some populism is very toxic.
[00:50:12] Speaker C: That's true. It's true. We didn't say it had to be healthy populism.
[00:50:16] Speaker A: I'm just imagining walker Bernie Sanders. 80 people eat 50% of the world's brains
[00:50:27] Speaker C: absolutely voting for Walker. Burning. That sounds. Yeah. Go off.
[00:50:31] Speaker B: Go off.
[00:50:31] Speaker C: Tell him that one Walker who keeps eating everybody and the rest of us are just shambling around. You're right. Take him. Take him down.
[00:50:44] Speaker B: You know, Walker Bernie Sanders is on to something.
[00:50:47] Speaker A: I would vote for Walker Bernie Sanders.
[00:50:51] Speaker B: All these, all these situations in the 28 Years later movies. None of them would happen under Walker Bernie Sanders.
Just think about that.
[00:51:05] Speaker C: Think about that.
You have to run the entire story of the Walking Dead through the lens of. But what if we had Walker Bernie Sanders? What would be different here? Yeah.
[00:51:15] Speaker B: Oh, wow. Wow. It would be a really different story.
[00:51:19] Speaker C: I say, like, my season was all, like, there was a settlement that was like kidnapping children to turn them into soldiers. Walker Bernie Sanders would not allow that. That would not be cool. That on his watch.
[00:51:32] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:51:32] Speaker B: No, you can't do that under Walker Bernie Sanders.
[00:51:39] Speaker C: Walker Bernie Sanders really rolls off the tongue, too. That's.
[00:51:45] Speaker A: Everybody vote for Walker Bernie Sanders. Right now. My lawyer in the. With me is voting for Walker Bernie Sanders.
[00:51:52] Speaker B: The lawyers are looking weirdly convinced on this one.
[00:51:56] Speaker C: They're printing signs as we speak.
[00:51:59] Speaker B: They're nodding. They're writing checks.
Okay, what's, what's, What's RFK Junior's home remedy to the Walker virus?
[00:52:18] Speaker C: You think, Gosh, you know, I. I'M like, I'm like, casting about the room for, like, what weird home improvement item do I think he would want me to inject into your room?
[00:52:31] Speaker B: Like, what's the most toxic thing I can put my eyes right?
[00:52:34] Speaker C: Literally, I have, like, a caulking gun, you know, And I'm like, I think that weird, goofy stuff you use to fill in the tiles in your bathroom, he's just like, inject that in the back of your neck, it'll fuse your spine together, and then it can't turn into a walker. And he'll be like, yes, go off like.
Or something. Like, the smoother your brain, the less likely it'll turn into a walker. So anything that corrosive that could smoothen out the brain, I think he'd be into. Yeah, I could see it. It.
[00:53:04] Speaker B: The walkers won't eat your brains if they've got worms in them or something.
[00:53:13] Speaker C: Inject actual uranium into your ear and you're. You're glowing. And they will be like, ugh.
[00:53:23] Speaker B: It's actually. It's not that. It's not that I. I'm. I'm. I'm retconning from earlier in the episode. It's not that Aryan RFK would blend in with the walkers. It's that they walk up to him periodically, give him a sniff, and go, oh,
[00:53:37] Speaker C: no, I'm good, bro.
[00:53:40] Speaker B: It's like. It's like if you are like, you know, you ever been, like, really hungry for some reason you missed lunch, you were busy, and then, like, you just see some, like, food item in your fridge that you know is just a little too far gone, and you think about it for a second, then you're like, nah, that's. That's junior to a walker.
[00:54:02] Speaker C: One time, I was on a really long road trip, and I was in the middle of nowhere, and finally a McDonald's, like, came up and I pulled in, and in the back of the building, their dumpster was on fire, and I could smell it. And I was like, I'm. No, I can't do this. And I pulled out and I didn't. I didn't. I didn't find another fast food place for, like, another hour. But I. It was, you know, it was worth it. I was not.
[00:54:27] Speaker A: It's a metaphor for America. It's a metaphor for America.
[00:54:31] Speaker C: It's a metaphor for RFK not getting eaten by walkers.
[00:54:37] Speaker A: I'm glad we don't live in the apocalypse, don't we?
[00:54:45] Speaker B: Oh, no.
The lawyers are telling me the answer is no.
[00:54:52] Speaker C: Well, always a chipper bunch.
[00:54:55] Speaker A: Of lawyers.
This is not a bit. My speaker and microphone went off for a second when I did that, so even my computer is trying to stop me.
Even my computer.
[00:55:08] Speaker B: Wow. Everything's against us, but yet we must vote anyway.
What.
Which current United States governor would you be most willing to live under in the Walker apocalypse as. As your, as your, Your new shotgun leader?
[00:55:35] Speaker C: Which governor? I mean, the first question would be like, which one was able to win the Walker vote? Because I think it's gonna be really critical to staying in power
[00:55:45] Speaker A: there.
[00:55:45] Speaker C: There's more of them than us.
[00:55:47] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:55:48] Speaker B: Okay. Yeah. You're making a strike.
Yeah.
Which current. Let's, let's go there, then. Which current sitting US Governor would.
Would do the best winning the Walker vote?
[00:56:05] Speaker C: I don't know. I feel like Pritzker's got a pretty good chance. I, I feel like.
I feel like his speeches are so stirring that even the Walkers shed a single tear.
I, I, I think Pritzker's got him. I think it's gonna be Pritzker.
[00:56:23] Speaker B: You think Pritzker's the one?
[00:56:25] Speaker C: I think he's it. Yeah. I used, I used to live in Illinois, and I just, you know, what
[00:56:31] Speaker B: was that the great con of the planes?
[00:56:34] Speaker A: Oh, say, my Internet even went down for a second, but it clearly went back when you mentioned the great of the Plains, my governor.
[00:56:46] Speaker C: I just. I, you know, I don't know. I feel. I feel like he's. He's got. He's got the, the juice to win over the Walkers, and that means he's going to be in power forever. So, you know, he's, he's got a plan in this hypothetical scenario. He does.
[00:57:04] Speaker B: You don't think.
You don't think Vivek, with his referencing Eminem and other dated references, would stand a ch.
[00:57:12] Speaker C: Yes.
I don't. I think the Walkers would be, like, too, Too cringe to continue on like this, you know, even though even the
[00:57:23] Speaker B: Walkers have some sense of taste.
[00:57:27] Speaker C: Yeah. They're like, no.
And then I was thinking, like, well, which, which one. Which governors are the most likely to have, like, an arsenal, which is useful in the Walking Dead universe? And, but, but, you know, a bunch of them are going to be injecting caulking material into, so it's just tricky. It's just tricky. There's no way around this.
[00:57:49] Speaker A: There's no way around this.
[00:57:53] Speaker B: I've got, I've got a question.
[00:57:58] Speaker C: Okay.
[00:57:59] Speaker B: Got a question.
[00:58:00] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:58:02] Speaker B: You know Negan, the character? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Given, Given the aesthetics of the man, questionable use of symbology.
History of being abusive both emotionally and physically and just general cut of his jib.
Should Megan be president of the United States?
[00:58:31] Speaker C: I don't think he should. However, I think, I think that a presidential election between him and Walker Bernie Sanders could fuel many economies.
I think the media could recover fully in this scenario.
[00:58:55] Speaker B: Journalism's back, baby.
[00:58:57] Speaker C: We are funded forever.
Everybody is subscribing
[00:59:04] Speaker B: your local newspaper. It's back.
[00:59:08] Speaker C: It has four subscribers, and that's all we need. We're good.
[00:59:22] Speaker B: A final question, Final question, final vote. And then we can get out of this voting booth and have the, the lawyers stop staring at us like this.
[00:59:33] Speaker A: I mean, this, this guy's like, he's good at staring.
[00:59:39] Speaker C: So,
[00:59:42] Speaker B: Mary, are you familiar with the infamous scene where Negan is walking the line of beloved characters with his bat, deciding who he's going to execute?
[00:59:54] Speaker C: I am indeed.
[00:59:55] Speaker B: Yeah.
One of the most horrifying things on television other than, like, I don't know when, like, a trans person was on television last.
[01:00:13] Speaker A: Are you Steven Universe?
[01:00:18] Speaker C: Which of these is the horror?
[01:00:21] Speaker A: It looks like we're gonna have to kill this guy. Hi, Stephen.
[01:00:29] Speaker B: So if, if, if Negan was, was walking, was walking a line of Jimmy Carter, uh, uh, uh, aoc, fdr, JB Pritzker, and Glenn. Is Glenn the one that's still getting fucking murdered?
[01:00:55] Speaker C: Yeah. I think if Glenn's there, Glenn's gonna get got for sure.
If we think about, like, what, what is Negan trying to accomplish here? And I think that that can be and has been debated a lot.
If we think about the most important thing now is hope for the future in an apocalypse.
Because it's, you know, it's the one thing that none of us can afford to lose if we're trying to survive an apocalypse. Which of this Obama, which.
[01:01:29] Speaker A: Is.
[01:01:29] Speaker C: Exactly. So in this lineup, who gives us the most hope for the future? And it's still probably Glenn. So Glenn. Sorry. Glenn Walker. Obama would also just. Yeah, extra.
[01:01:44] Speaker B: I, I, I have one small followup. If, if, if Marky Mark was there, would it have still gone down like that?
[01:01:52] Speaker C: Marky Mark was there?
I, I do, I feel like some of the tension would have been undercut a little bit. I don't know if it would have taken quite as long. It would just, like, just get everybody just, like, get it over with. Nega, like, come, come the on, man.
[01:02:11] Speaker B: He'd be insisting that we speed it up. That's what you're saying?
[01:02:15] Speaker C: That's what I'm saying is the scene that takes, like, several minutes in the show is now like 15 seconds because. Roll credits. We gotta. We gotta pack this up.
[01:02:25] Speaker A: Speaking of.
[01:02:25] Speaker B: We gotta pack this one up.
Finish hanging them chads. We gotta get out of the voting booth.
[01:02:34] Speaker A: All right.
Laura just disappeared into thin air.
He didn't walk. He just. He just disappeared.
[01:02:42] Speaker B: That was kind of weird.
This has been a great episode.
I don't even know what to say.
This has been a really fun time.
[01:02:53] Speaker A: I guess we should just walk away while we're still alive.
[01:02:59] Speaker C: We should shuffle away. We should shoot our farewells into the side of a hill. It'll be really nice.
[01:03:05] Speaker A: We should never go to Delaware. The moral story.
The moral of this episode is don't go to Delaware.
[01:03:12] Speaker B: Yeah.
[01:03:12] Speaker C: Because don't go to Delaware.
[01:03:14] Speaker B: The Walker event has already started in Delaware.
[01:03:18] Speaker C: I'll never know until. Yeah. Womp, womp.
[01:03:24] Speaker B: Barry, Kenny, thank you so much for coming on the show. You've been a fantastic guest.
If somebody wants to follow you on the Internet, is there a place that you want them to do that?
[01:03:39] Speaker C: You can always check out my website, which is MaryMaryk Games, J-M-E-S.com and see what I am currently working on. Otherwise, you can find me on Blue Sky. Just search my name. Very easy to find me. I have the fancy blue chest.
Does it mean I'm a Walker? I don't know. I'm not going to disclose it. So, yeah, pretty easy to find me. I would. I would love. I would love it if you follow me because this was. This was so delightful. This was so much fun. So I want more of your fans to be my fans.
[01:04:15] Speaker A: Thank you. Wait, I have fans?
[01:04:18] Speaker C: I would assume? Yes.
Yeah.
[01:04:21] Speaker A: Oh, they have great taste. I'm not supposed to insult my pants.
[01:04:27] Speaker B: I'm not supposed to show the show.
[01:04:29] Speaker A: Okay, okay.
[01:04:30] Speaker B: Our editor, Brandon, our co host. Those are the. Those that's where the fans are.
[01:04:39] Speaker A: Okay.
Okay, good.
[01:04:43] Speaker B: And yeah, if you want to vote for this show, as always, you can go to various streaming platforms and give us five stars. Give us that five star vote. Tell your friends about the show.
Share a link with somebody that you like or maybe somebody that you hate.
[01:05:01] Speaker A: I hate you.
Listen to this podcast. Listen to this. That makes so many puns.
[01:05:08] Speaker B: Yeah.
When I'm promoting a new project, Lord knows I messaged some people that I don't care for, but like me.
Yeah, like you.
And as always, if you're not in a line, get in a lot.
[01:05:27] Speaker A: Unless it's the Walker line, but not the.
[01:05:30] Speaker B: Not the Walker line. No.
[01:05:31] Speaker A: Hey, hey, Mary. Why are you in the Walker line?
[01:05:34] Speaker B: Hey, wait.
[01:05:35] Speaker A: What?
[01:05:36] Speaker C: There's no reason. I'm not going to disclose why I'm the walker line. Go on.
[01:05:42] Speaker A: I keep being ableist. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
[01:05:44] Speaker C: Knock it off.
